Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[Socnorb11]

...You won't change. I won't change. And nothing nobody says will make us change. Same goes for many others.

This is the exact reason why I despise politics and talking politics. Shouting about things until we're blue in the face doesn't change anything except stress ourselves out and create enmity.

Richie and I are both examples of that not being true.

[Cronos]

...You won't change. I won't change. And nothing nobody says will make us change. Same goes for many others.

This is the exact reason why I despise politics and talking politics. Shouting about things until we're blue in the face doesn't change anything except stress ourselves out and create enmity.

Richie and I are both examples of that not being true.

I haven't read but maybe 2% of this thread, but culling what I know from the last few pages, I'm not talking about voting across party lines and whatnot. I'm talking about one's core beliefs. Those will rarely, rarely change past a certain age.

[Socnorb11]

...You won't change. I won't change. And nothing nobody says will make us change. Same goes for many others.

This is the exact reason why I despise politics and talking politics. Shouting about things until we're blue in the face doesn't change anything except stress ourselves out and create enmity.

Richie and I are both examples of that not being true.

I haven't read but maybe 2% of this thread, but culling what I know from the last few pages, I'm not talking about voting across party lines and whatnot. I'm talking about one's core beliefs. Those will rarely, rarely change past a certain age.

Fair enough.

[PujolJunkie]

On July 20, 2008, the pastor of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin's home church, Larry Kroon, delivered a sermon called "Sin Is Personal To God." Kroon, the senior pastor of the non-denominational Wasilla Bible Church in Wasilla, Alaska, used the book of Zephaniah as his reference point for discussing "that great day of the Lord, when God will finally bring closure to human history... a day of wrath." According to Kroon, "all things and all people" are going to bear the brunt of God's "intense anger." "There's anger with God," he proclaimed. "He takes sin personal."

Kroon placed Zephaniah in a modern context, warning that the sinful habits of Americans would invite the wrath of God. "And if Zephaniah were here today," Kroon bellowed, "he'd be saying, ‘Listen, [God] is gonna deal with all the inhabitants of the earth. He is gonna strike out His hand against, yes, Wasilla; and Alaska; and the United States of America. There's no exceptions here -- there's none. It's all.'"

(Kroon's sermon can be heard here; a full transcript is here.)

While Kroon has cautioned his parishioners against the mass marketed End Times prophecies of Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye, he has nonetheless invoked doomsday scenarios that mirror those on the pages of Lindsey and LaHaye's bestselling tracts.

"It's so very possible that God, instead of responding by granting spiritual renewal and sustained prosperity," Kroon said in a sermon on July 13, 2008, "could just as easily...it's conceivable that He could just as easily, for example, raise up a revived, prosperous and powerful Communist Russia with a web of alliances across the Middle East. And our gas pumps would go dry. The dollar would collapse. And the markets would crash. The kayak could go upside down. And it could happen in a matter of weeks. That could happen. It could happen by this fall."

Palin joined Wasilla Bible Church after leaving Wasilla Assembly of God, a Pentecostal church where she delivered a controversial sermon asking her audience to pray that the war in Iraq is "God's plan." When she is working in Alaska's capitol, she worships at the Juneau Christian Center, another Pentecostal church where charismatic displays like speaking in tongues and dancing in the spirit are encouraged. Palin describes herself as a "Bible-believing Christian."

Palin's presence at Wasilla Bible Church has not been confirmed for the days Kroon warned of God "striking out his hand against... the United States of America" and "rais[ing] up" an alliance of nations to ruin America.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/355545

Irony.

[docellis]

The first time I could ever vote I voted for a Dem.

It will be the last time, too.

I don't think either party is worthy of taking my vote for granted. Certainly not for the rest of my life.

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[AdmiralKird]

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/355545

Irony.

This just keeps getting better.

[UK]

http://www.newsweek.com/id/157439/page/1

I wish troopergate would go away as well.

[Jocephus]

i like baracks last sentence

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[obucard]

...You won't change. I won't change. And nothing nobody says will make us change. Same goes for many others.

This is the exact reason why I despise politics and talking politics. Shouting about things until we're blue in the face doesn't change anything except stress ourselves out and create enmity.

Richie and I are both examples of that not being true.

I haven't read but maybe 2% of this thread, but culling what I know from the last few pages, I'm not talking about voting across party lines and whatnot. I'm talking about one's core beliefs. Those will rarely, rarely change past a certain age.

It's one of life's great mysteries. Person A and Person B have different ideals. Neither would ever dream of changing those ideals, yet they both seem to think they can sway the other person. When neither is swayed, both are confused by this utter defiance of logic. How could he think that? They respond with petty insults that go back and forth, steadily increasing in severity. Finally Person C asks why we can't get along; A and B blame each other for starting it, though it's gone on for so long no one really knows where it began.

This is why political discussions are generally not allowed on forums. They do nothing but create bad blood. To agree to disagree is impossible, because all sides must have the last word.

[BW23]

i like baracks last sentence

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And here I thought Obama was the one playing nice. This and his campaign saying that the Palins are bad parents. Gee, it's really shocking.