I think he can be a .275-.285 hitter, 15HRs, with a good approach at the plate with him being the best defensive 3B in the Cali League, he can prob. stick there defensively. He does seem too content with going gap and gap rather than getting out in front and trying to pull it for power.
That's something that can be taught and learned as he continues progressing through the system. There's also something to be said for a player willing to go the other way. IF he can develop power the other way, then we have a serious hitter on our hands. I understand the pull argument you're making well enough, but the best hitters in the league have always been willing to use all fields.
The difference, I suppose, is the tools of the hitter involved and the potential of those tools. Albert is limiting his tools if he tries to pull everything. He can hit it out to RF. At the other end of the spectrum, I could see how Freese would be limiting his potential by not trying to pull more. As long as he doesn't get too pull happy and in the process turns him into a .240/.310/.470 hitter with 25 hr. potential (see Crede). I would take a .280/.350/.450/15 over that all the time.
Also, is your projection a ceiling or a likely career average? Also, are you assuming in that projection some improvement as a pull hitter or as he is now (with a normal progression through the minors) this is how he would do?
Lastly, I really appreciate you weighing in on this. Your insight is invaluable in discussions like this. At the end of the day, we really have no idea what we have in prospects like these unless guys like you weigh in on them for us.
That's probably between an. avg year and his ceiling, so I'd call that a good year. That's before you factor the fact he's not turning on the ball. I think his ceiling could be .290 20Hrs, while right now, he'd probably hit .250-.260 with 10Hrs if he went to the majors.
His ceiling is that of avg. 3B.
So why did it take 5 years of college to find this guy? You are describing an every day 3B, if that's so than I will applogize to Mo in a few years.
If this offseason's goal is to cut costs and to not be competitive next year, then what's the point in pushing TLR to re-sign? Don't get me wrong, I love Tony and was very excited to see him stay, but if we're not going to be competitive until after TLR's deal is up and money is so tight, why not move onto Oquendo and save a few bucks?
jim wrote:So why did it take 5 years of college to find this guy? You are describing an every day 3B, if that's so than I will applogize to Mo in a few years.
Otherwise, I think Mo is an incompetent fool.
UK said his ceiling is an every day 3B.
There's little point to having Edmonds on our roster. I'm happy we got something for him. Hopefully they'll do something productive with the money they're saving.
Michael wrote:
There's little point to having Edmonds on our roster. I'm happy we got something for him. Hopefully they'll do something productive with the money they're saving.
I agree. My optimism is hoping that it is going to allow them to deal Rolen for something good and be able to pay part of his salary.
Michael wrote:
There's little point to having Edmonds on our roster. I'm happy we got something for him. Hopefully they'll do something productive with the money they're saving.
I agree. My optimism is hoping that it is going to allow them to deal Rolen for something good and be able to pay part of his salary.
I agree too, but looking down the list of players we could spend that money on at this point has me scratching my head as to what's better. I think I would have rather just paid Edmonds his $7 million (difference) as a token CF. Plus there's the chance that if he's healthy this year, he could post a 110-125 OPS+ season. That's probably better than anything we can find on the FA market at any position for the $7 million we're saving.
thrill wrote:My optimism is hoping that it is going to allow them to deal Rolen for something good and be able to pay part of his salary.
That seems like a reasonable thought, though I think DeWitt could probably afford to keep Edmonds *and* include cash in a Rolen trade. They could possibly get a more generous return for Rolen, if the Edmonds cash is included along with Rolen.
But unless we're able to get a better return than I expect, I'm still opposed to trading Rolen at this time.
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I think he can be a .275-.285 hitter, 15HRs, with a good approach at the plate with him being the best defensive 3B in the Cali League, he can prob. stick there defensively. He does seem too content with going gap and gap rather than getting out in front and trying to pull it for power.
That's something that can be taught and learned as he continues progressing through the system. There's also something to be said for a player willing to go the other way. IF he can develop power the other way, then we have a serious hitter on our hands. I understand the pull argument you're making well enough, but the best hitters in the league have always been willing to use all fields.
The difference, I suppose, is the tools of the hitter involved and the potential of those tools. Albert is limiting his tools if he tries to pull everything. He can hit it out to RF. At the other end of the spectrum, I could see how Freese would be limiting his potential by not trying to pull more. As long as he doesn't get too pull happy and in the process turns him into a .240/.310/.470 hitter with 25 hr. potential (see Crede). I would take a .280/.350/.450/15 over that all the time.
Also, is your projection a ceiling or a likely career average? Also, are you assuming in that projection some improvement as a pull hitter or as he is now (with a normal progression through the minors) this is how he would do?
Lastly, I really appreciate you weighing in on this. Your insight is invaluable in discussions like this. At the end of the day, we really have no idea what we have in prospects like these unless guys like you weigh in on them for us.
That's probably between an. avg year and his ceiling, so I'd call that a good year. That's before you factor the fact he's not turning on the ball. I think his ceiling could be .290 20Hrs, while right now, he'd probably hit .250-.260 with 10Hrs if he went to the majors.
His ceiling is that of avg. 3B.
So why did it take 5 years of college to find this guy? You are describing an every day 3B, if that's so than I will applogize to Mo in a few years.
Otherwise, I think Mo is an incompetent fool.
He spent spent sometime at Meramec and was an All America in 2004 there, then went on to play at Southern Alabama for 2 yrs. He has hit whereever he has been not sure why nobody really picked up on him unless he just wanted to finish school. Stats
Its not his fault he was in A+ ball last yr, Padres number one prospect was at AA who is also a thirdbaseman.
Here is some info from another post on CT
I played ball, with David at Meramec Community College and college summer ball, in which he broke the NABF World Series batting avg. record in Ohio... hitting .565 in the tourney. He is a great athlete, playing with the likes of Ryan Howard, and other minor leaguers, during his time playing with the SLABA Ellisville Redbirds, and had one of the best hitting instructors (Darrin Spink) that isn't well known unless you talk to "BIG MONEY" Ryan Howard himself.
Trying not to be subjective here... he has a plus, plus arm... he is clutch, gets on base constantly and has gap to gap power. He is not the prototypical homerun hitter, but almost seems to hit homeruns on accident. He is one of six players to hit a homerun into the Metal Supply seats at PETCO, it happened last year when Lake Elsinore played a game in PETCO, before the Padres played the Giants... the only fault I ever saw him have was turning a short double play, in which he would push the ball to second base instead of throwing it... he was in Arizona instructs the past two falls working as a catcher and outfielder.
He couldn't move anywhere in the Padres farm system because of Headley and Kouz. He was a first team ALL-AMERICAN at Meramec, and South Alabama. He is a great dude, and a BIG TIME TALENT!
jim wrote:
So why did it take 5 years of college to find this guy? You are describing an every day 3B, if that's so than I will applogize to Mo in a few years.
Otherwise, I think Mo is an incompetent fool.
B/c he was prob. viewed as a future 1B with no power heading into his 5th year at USA. He obviously showed more power and better defense that final year, to draft a 5th year senior in the top rounds is saying something.
That's probably between an. avg year and his ceiling, so I'd call that a good year. That's before you factor the fact he's not turning on the ball. I think his ceiling could be .290 20Hrs, while right now, he'd probably hit .250-.260 with 10Hrs if he went to the majors.
His ceiling is that of avg. 3B.
Thanks. Good stuff. Very good stuff. I like it.
Incidentally, how does he compare to Allen Craig, if you've scouted him at all? Did we upgrade?
jim wrote:
So why did it take 5 years of college to find this guy? You are describing an every day 3B, if that's so than I will applogize to Mo in a few years.
Otherwise, I think Mo is an incompetent fool.
B/c he was prob. viewed as a future 1B with no power heading into his 5th year at USA. He obviously showed more power and better defense that final year, to draft a 5th year senior in the top rounds is saying something.
He became a full-time student at Missouri. He resisted courting from the baseball coach there, and everyone else who knew he was a player. Outside of his love for the Cardinals, he didn't have a thing to do with the sport for a year.
Then one morning, two weeks before the start of his sophomore year, the love returned.
"I was a pretty stubborn guy," Freese said. "My friends had a lot to do with me coming back. They said, 'So when you start playing baseball again . . .' I was like, 'Are you kidding me? I'm 100 percent done.'
"But something happened. I woke up one morning and I wanted to play again."
A couple of phone calls later, Freese was enrolled at Meramec Junior College.
