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Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL

Posted: July 31 10, 1:48 pm
by jagtrader
If La Russa didn't know what he had in Jay after his time in the minors and big-league spring training, shame on the manager. Of course, La Russa also didn't start Jay in the first two games after the all-star break. It's more likely he's fooled by this incredible hot streak and never cared much for Ludwick.

Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL

Posted: July 31 10, 1:52 pm
by Fat Strat
jagtrader wrote:If La Russa didn't know what he had in Jay after his time in the minors and big-league spring training, shame on the manager. Of course, La Russa also didn't start Jay in the first two games after the all-star break. It's more likely he's fooled by this incredible hot streak and never cared much for Ludwick.
Winn and Jay were arguably quite similar players and most here wanted to give the benefit to Winn at the time. He got send down because of Winn, not because of Stavy, etc. Not that you're suggesting otherwise, just clarifying my thoughts. Can't say I agreed with that, but many did.

Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL

Posted: July 31 10, 1:53 pm
by jagtrader
Fat Strat wrote:
jagtrader wrote:If La Russa didn't know what he had in Jay after his time in the minors and big-league spring training, shame on the manager. Of course, La Russa also didn't start Jay in the first two games after the all-star break. It's more likely he's fooled by this incredible hot streak and never cared much for Ludwick.
Winn and Jay were arguably quite similar players and most here wanted to give the benefit to Winn at the time. Can't say I agreed with that, but many did.
I was fine with it at the time, but now the Cardinals seem to think Jay is good enough to play corner OF in a pennant race on a team with no offense at 2B, SS or C. That's quite a shift in opinion in about six weeks.

Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL

Posted: July 31 10, 1:55 pm
by Fat Strat
I still think this was more about Craig than Jay, but I seem to be alone in that.

And you're right, we have offensive problems that Jay or Craig don't fix. Neither do Westbrook... and actually, Westbrook could create more MI problems with all those GB's he gets.

Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL

Posted: July 31 10, 1:56 pm
by Magneto2.0
Looks like Jonathan Sanchez just got traded. He was just hugging teammates. Saying his good byes..

Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL

Posted: July 31 10, 1:57 pm
by KyCardinalFan
Magneto2.0 wrote:
jagtrader wrote:With the way Pujols and Rasmus look right now, the Cardinals may not score enough runs for that rotation to matter in October.
Do you really think Pujols and Rasmus will be struggling like this for the next 2 months
Wasn't this similarly said about this offense two months ago?


Why can't Rasmus, Pujols and Holliday sync up? That's another reason why I'm bummed about losing Luddy, it just seemed like the more streaky hitters we have the better the odds of *someone* coming through. That and what clevername said, I just liked the guy.

Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL

Posted: July 31 10, 1:57 pm
by haltz
From a sentimental standpoint this sucks. From a value standpoint.. this sucks.

I don't have time to read the thread, but I don't get this at all. A 125 OPS+ outfielder with good defense for a 5.00 ERA pitcher. [expletive] Mozeliak.

Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL

Posted: July 31 10, 2:00 pm
by InvincibleCakeEater
Magneto2.0 wrote:Looks like Jonathan Sanchez just got traded. He was just hugging teammates. Saying his good byes..
I'm going to be quite pissed if he was had for nothing. My guess is that SF just got Dunn though.

Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL

Posted: July 31 10, 2:02 pm
by Magneto2.0
As of 5 minutes ago, Sanchez is still a Giant. We'll see.

Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL

Posted: July 31 10, 2:13 pm
by ConeBone69
Kevin Goldstein is tearing the trade apart.

http://www.kfns.com/Other/streamtheworld.html