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Re: GDT 8/10/10-Cardinals (García) at Reds (Cueto) 6:10 CDT
Posted: August 10 10, 2:42 pm
by InvincibleCakeEater
RxOfCowbell wrote:
how many of those were unintentional intentional walks?
i'm not trying to discredit him. there is no doubting that he had probably the best offensive years during the history of baseball in that time. But I just don't think that pointing to a 1.422 OPS is the best measure of that.
If you just take away every IBB and pretend it didn't happen, his OBP is only .515 that season. Drops his OPS to 1.327.
Re: GDT 8/10/10-Cardinals (García) at Reds (Cueto) 6:10 CDT
Posted: August 10 10, 2:47 pm
by Schlich
InvincibleCakeEater wrote:RxOfCowbell wrote:
how many of those were unintentional intentional walks?
i'm not trying to discredit him. there is no doubting that he had probably the best offensive years during the history of baseball in that time. But I just don't think that pointing to a 1.422 OPS is the best measure of that.
If you just take away every IBB and pretend it didn't happen, his OBP is only .515 that season. Drops his OPS to 1.327.
well, grains of salt are pretty small
Re: GDT 8/10/10-Cardinals (García) at Reds (Cueto) 6:10 CDT
Posted: August 10 10, 2:51 pm
by heyzeus
RxOfCowbell wrote:InvincibleCakeEater wrote:RxOfCowbell wrote:InvincibleCakeEater wrote:RxOfCowbell wrote:
i always take his stats during those years with a grain of salt... How many points of that 1.422 were achieved by the other team throwing up four fingers?
Why does that matter?
*shrug* it works both ways. His counting stats should have been a lot higher because he was passed so much. I'm not being vindictive, i'm just saying his numbers are a little skewed.
He walked over 100 times without the intentional walk. He slugged .812. Think about that. He scared the opposition so much they just put him on intentionally 20% of the time. That shouldn't discredit anything.
how many of those were unintentional intentional walks?
i'm not trying to discredit him. there is no doubting that he had probably the best offensive years during the history of baseball in that time. But I just don't think that pointing to a 1.422 OPS is the best measure of that.
Well, subtracting the walks if you prefer, he hit 45 home runs and 27 doubles in 373 at bats. That's how you wind up with an .812 slugging percentage (he had an .863 in 2001, highest all time in a season).
I just don't see why you'd discount the year he had because he walked a lot. I don't care if the walks were intentional or semi-intentional or just old fashioned working the count; if you are getting on base 61% of the time, AND slugging at a rate beyond Babe Ruth, you are an offensive hammer of the gods.
We've seen a lot of players on steroids, both that we know and that we don't. And none of them have been able to do that.
/gamethread hijack over, i promise.
Re: GDT 8/10/10-Cardinals (García) at Reds (Cueto) 6:10 CDT
Posted: August 10 10, 3:01 pm
by Schlich
heyzeus wrote:
/gamethread hijack over, i promise.
my fault. play ball.
Re: GDT 8/10/10-Cardinals (García) at Reds (Cueto) 6:10 CDT
Posted: August 10 10, 3:09 pm
by fanforever
fanforever wrote:Cincinnati Lineup:
Phillips 2B
Janish SS
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Gomes LF
Heisey RF
Stubbs CF
Hernandez C
Cueto P
I guess the Jim Edmonds fever in Cincinnati has toned down
Re: GDT 8/10/10-Cardinals (García) at Reds (Cueto) 6:10 CDT
Posted: August 10 10, 3:19 pm
by Cronos
fanforever wrote:fanforever wrote:Cincinnati Lineup:
Phillips 2B
Janish SS
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Gomes LF
Heisey RF
Stubbs CF
Hernandez C
Cueto P
I guess the Jim Edmonds fever in Cincinnati has toned down
Shame. I'd much rather see Edmonds in the lineup than Gomes.
Re: GDT 8/10/10-Cardinals (García) at Reds (Cueto) 6:10 CDT
Posted: August 10 10, 3:25 pm
by Fat Strat
Swingingbunt wrote:Fat Strat wrote:Swingingbunt wrote:The most productive batter for the St. Louis Cardinals is Jon Jay
Does...not...compute.
Right now they're tied in OPS+ and draft history & MiLB stats suggest that Jay will outperform Pujols long term.
BTW, Pujols this month: .484 .500 .935 1.435
That's insane.
I know you're being a little tongue in cheek...but I'd be alright with Jay playing out of his GD mind for 10-15 years.
I like how even when Pujols "underperforms" (ESPN's wording), he's still better than 99.9% of baseball players.
I was being A LOT tongue in cheek, but yeah, Jay has been awesome and he's not really doing anything that's out of his element. It's really just his crazy high BABIP -- all his hit balls are finding holes -- but otherwise, the "good hitter with a great all-around game" that we see day in and day out is who Jay is and has been since he was drafted.
Re: GDT 8/10/10-Cardinals (García) at Reds (Cueto) 6:10 CDT
Posted: August 10 10, 4:57 pm
by InvincibleCakeEater
Suppan has some sort of groin trouble.
He's not doing anything for awhile and is terrible, why the hell wasn't he put on the [expletive] DL?
Re: GDT 8/10/10-Cardinals (García) at Reds (Cueto) 6:10 CDT
Posted: August 10 10, 5:01 pm
by BW23
He can still probably beat the Cubs.
Re: GDT 8/10/10-Cardinals (García) at Reds (Cueto) 6:10 CDT
Posted: August 10 10, 5:07 pm
by fanforever
