Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:
JL21 wrote:Maybe I'm crazy but I think the real wild card is African-American voters who, to steal a line from Yogi Berra, "have stayed away in droves" from the voting booth for a long time. I'm curious to see:

1. how much having a black candidate changes that

2. if that potential change is enough to steal a state or two or three

The black vote in America is a sleeping giant, IMO.
Wouldn't those potential voters be showing in the polls already, though?
Would you consider those voters, ones that refused to vote for a white person but will up and support a black one no questions asked, as racist?
I predict that this single post will lead to the demise of this thread. (nothing personal intended at all... it's just a landmine)

FWIW, I don't know that I'd characterize it as "refusing to vote for a white person" so much as it is feeling disenfranchised with the voting and/or political process, which is a fate that befalls an awful lot of people from an awful lot of religions, races, creeds, etc...

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JL21 wrote:I predict that this single post will lead to the demise of this thread. (nothing personal intended at all... it's just a landmine)

FWIW, I don't know that I'd characterize it as "refusing to vote for a white person" so much as it is feeling disenfranchised with the voting and/or political process, which is a fate that befalls an awful lot of people from an awful lot of religions, races, creeds, etc...
that was the point. :wink:

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i wonder what leon would have to say abou tthis

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Meet Tom Toles, Obama's new speech writer:
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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:
JL21 wrote:Maybe I'm crazy but I think the real wild card is African-American voters who, to steal a line from Yogi Berra, "have stayed away in droves" from the voting booth for a long time. I'm curious to see:

1. how much having a black candidate changes that

2. if that potential change is enough to steal a state or two or three

The black vote in America is a sleeping giant, IMO.
Wouldn't those potential voters be showing in the polls already, though?
Would you consider those voters, ones that refused to vote for a white person but will up and support a black one no questions asked, as racist?
They're not voting against someone, they're voting for someone.

History would have to be opposite of what it has been for a black voter to have a racist say in this election.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080910/ap_ ... _letterman

Bill Clinton ready to hit the campaign trail for Obama.

I got a kick out of this:
Letterman asked Obama if he would consider Bill Clinton for a Cabinet position if he wins.

"I think if you are a former president, you don't take Cabinet positions," Obama said to laughter from the audience. "I think it's sort of been there, done that. It's sort of like getting Mickey Mantle to play AAA. You don't do it. But obviously you consult with him as often as you can, because, look, there are only a handful of people who have actually done the job."

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Socnorb11 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080910/ap_ ... _letterman

Bill Clinton ready to hit the campaign trail for Obama.

I got a kick out of this:
Letterman asked Obama if he would consider Bill Clinton for a Cabinet position if he wins.

"I think if you are a former president, you don't take Cabinet positions," Obama said to laughter from the audience. "I think it's sort of been there, done that. It's sort of like getting Mickey Mantle to play AAA. You don't do it. But obviously you consult with him as often as you can, because, look, there are only a handful of people who have actually done the job."
So. If Bill hits the trail hard in Arkansas, does it swing blue again?

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Nope, even though he was the first black president.

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On another note:

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/0 ... out-palin/
Republican presidential candidate John McCain cut short his first public appearance without running-mate Sarah Palin after chanting supporters of Democratic rival Barack Obama interrupted his speech.

After lunching with a roundtable of women at Philadelphia’s Down Home Diner, McCain shook hands with supporters and strode up to a podium to deliver a statement. But as he spoke, chants of “Obama, Obama, Obama” filled the room.
Ouch.. ouch.. ouch. Ouch.

Kiiiiinda got wiped out there.

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GatewaySnayke wrote:Nope, even though he was the first black president.
I dunno.. the Clinton's have some SERIOUS pull in AR. It's gonna be close anyway.

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