Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

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[BW23]

I think the claims that Palin's experience as a small town mayor was irrelevant came first.

From who?

They were all over the media and this board as well as countless bloggers all over the country.

But not from the Obama camp.

Obama stated this past Sunday, when trying to accuse the McCain camp of saying he was a Muslim or had Muslim ties or trying to spread that kind of garbage, that the McCain camp fed bloggers, talk show hosts and Fox News. It was only after he was continuously corrected did he back off of it coming from the McCain camp.

Is this really different?

[Socnorb11]

I think the claims that Palin's experience as a small town mayor was irrelevant came first.

From who?

They were all over the media and this board as well as countless bloggers all over the country.

So because the media questioned her experience, that gives Palin the right to mock Obama's service?

I don't get the connection.

The media has also questioned Obama's experience.

So it is not ok for her defend herself?

I don't have a problem with her defending herself. I don't think that it's OK for her to defend herself from the media by mocking Obama's community service.

It seemed like you were trying to make a connection between the two, and I don't see it.

I have to ask, why did you cut out my comment about the RNC being over the top in their attacks? Did it not fit with your questioning of me?

Because it had nothing to do with this particular discussion. It's a separate issue.

Were you trying to make a connection, or just making random comments?

[GatewaySnayke]

After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side

[BW23]

Maybe they were mocking his "community organizing" because of what many believe that "organizing" entailed.

Maybe they were mocking it because they don't know what it entailed.

Because you do? I'm sure anyone that commented at the RNC had read plenty about it.

It's not that hard to use the Internet and figure out what he was doing.

Obama's work focused on helping poor blacks on Chicago's South Side fight the city for things like job banks and asbestos removal. His teachers were schooled in a style of organizing devised by Saul Alinsky, the radical University of Chicagotrained social scientist. At the heart of the Alinsky method is the concept of "agitation"--making someone angry enough about the rotten state of his life that he agrees to take action to change it; or, as Alinsky himself described the job, to "rub raw the sores of discontent."

On this particular evening, Kruglik was debriefing Obama about his work when a panhandler approached. Instead of ignoring the man, Obama confronted him. "Now, young man, is that really what you want be about?" Obama demanded. "I mean, come on, don't you want to be better than that? Let's get yourself together."

Kruglik remembers this episode as an example of why, in ten years of training organizers, Obama was the best student he ever had. He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better.

Or, you could read this:

Let me clarify something. Nobody is mocking community organizers in church basements and community centers across the country working to improve their neighbors' lives. What deserves ridicule is the notion that Obama's brief stint as a South Side rabble-rouser for tax-subsidized, partisan nonprofits qualifies as executive experience you can believe in.

What deserves derision is "community organizing" that relies on a community of homeless people and ex-cons to organize for the purpose of registering dead people to vote, shaking down corporations and using the race card as a bludgeon.

As I've reported previously, Obama's community organizing days involved training grievance-mongers from the far-left ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). The ACORN mob is infamous for its bully tactics (which they dub "direct actions"); Obama supporters have recounted his role in organizing an ambush on a government planning meeting about a landfill project opposed by Chicago's minority lobbies.

With benefactors like Obama in office, ACORN has milked nearly four decades of government subsidies to prop up chapters that promote the welfare state and undermine the free market, as well as some that have been implicated in perpetuating illegal immigration and voter fraud. Since I last detailed ACORN's illicit activities in this column in June (see "The ACORN Obama knows," June 19, 2008), the group continues to garner scrutiny from law enforcement:

Last week, Milwaukee's top election official announced plans to seek criminal investigations of 37 ACORN employees accused of offering gifts to sign up voters (including prepaid gas cards and restaurant cards) or falsifying driver's license numbers, Social Security numbers or other information on voter registration cards.

Last month, a New Mexico TV station reported on the child rapists, drug offenders and forgery convicts on ACORN's payroll. In July, Pennsylvania investigators asked the public for help in locating a fugitive named Luis R. Torres-Serrano, who is accused "of submitting more than 100 fraudulent voter registration forms he collected on behalf of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now to county election officials." Also in July, a massive, nearly $1 million embezzlement scheme by top ACORN officials was exposed.

ACORN's political arm endorsed Obama in February and has ramped up efforts to register voters across the country. In the meantime, completely ignored by the mainstream commentariat and clean-election crusaders, the Obama campaign admitted failing to report $800,000 in campaign payments to ACORN. They were disguised as payments to a front group called "Citizen Services, Inc." for "advance work."

Jim Terry, an official from the Consumer Rights League, a watchdog group that monitors ACORN, noted: "ACORN has a long and sordid history of employing convoluted Enron-style accounting to illegally use taxpayer funds for their own political gain. Now it looks like ACORN is using the same type of convoluted accounting scheme for Obama's political gain." With a wave of his magic wand, Obama amended his FEC forms to change the "advance work" to "get-out-the-vote" work.

That's the problem. Who really knows?

[wart57]

I think the claims that Palin's experience as a small town mayor was irrelevant came first.

From who?

They were all over the media and this board as well as countless bloggers all over the country.

So because the media questioned her experience, that gives Palin the right to mock Obama's service?

I don't get the connection.

The media has also questioned Obama's experience.

So it is not ok for her defend herself?

I don't have a problem with her defending herself. I don't think that it's OK for her to defend herself from the media by mocking Obama's community service.

It seemed like you were trying to make a connection between the two, and I don't see it.

I have to ask, why did you cut out my comment about the RNC being over the top in their attacks? Did it not fit with your questioning of me?

Because it had nothing to do with this particular discussion. It's a separate issue.

Were you trying to make a connection, or just making random comments?

She was mocked, so she mocked back. And my comment about the mocking tone and the attacks at the RNC have very much to do with the discussion. I did not like all the attacks they made. I am tired of the attacks by both parties, but I think some people think it is of for their party to attack, but below the belt when the other party attacks. I just wish they woud talk about the issues.

[Socnorb11]

Regardless of what type of community organizer you're talking about, the implication was that community organizers don't have any real responsibility.

You're going to defend this, and yet make an issue out of the lipstick comment?

[Arthur Dent]

the Obama camp.

Gore Camp Denies Putting Bush Camp's Canoe In Treetop

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28523

WASHINGTON, DC–At a press conference Monday, Gore-camp spokespersons staunchly denied charges of sneaking into the Bush camp, stealing a canoe, and stranding it high in a treetop over the weekend.


Flanked by members of his camp, presidential contender Al Gore defends himself before reporters.

"As usual, the Bush camp has stooped to the lowest form of dirty politicking with these unfounded accusations," said Al Gore, addressing reporters from the shores of Lake Minnewanna. "Make no mistake, we fully intend to beat those rich jerks from the Bush camp, but we will do so fair and square."

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[obucard]

This is a political thread. Logic and intelligence go out the window if they make your candidate look bad.

Slamming everyone else's logic and intelligence and intentions really doesn't do the discussion any great service.

Not even when there's truth to it?

[Socnorb11]

She was mocked, so she mocked back. And my comment about the mocking tone and the attacks at the RNC have very much to do with the discussion. I did not like all the attacks they made. I am tired of the attacks by both parties, but I think some people think it is of for their party to attack, but below the belt when the other party attacks. I just wish they woud talk about the issues.

Again, I don't get the connection. If I say that JL is a buffoon, does that give JL the right to say that wart is a doodoo head?

But as long as you know what you meant, that's all that matters.