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Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL
Posted: July 31 10, 5:06 pm
by InvincibleCakeEater
Tiff wrote:
Freese is an anomaly. He was logjammed.
And no one would care if Luddy was manning RF at Jay's expense because no rational person wanted Jay starting. He's clearly a 4th outfielder.
yup
Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL
Posted: July 31 10, 5:07 pm
by InvincibleCakeEater
Richie Allen wrote:
And he's got one option that, until now, has not been on the table. He can suck my [expletive] [expletive].
BWAHAHAHAHA
Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL
Posted: July 31 10, 5:07 pm
by Vidor
TGantz wrote:I appreciate what Ludwick did for us over the years, but this team doesn't rely on Ludwick. Our offense has been inconsistent even with Ludwick because Pujols isn't playing as well as he usually does. We can always find a decent outfielder with similar production as Ludwick. The bottom line is that the success of this team lies in the difference between 1st half Pujols and 2nd half Pujols, not the difference between Ludwick and Jay.
The addition of Westbrook gives us a rotation of Wainwright, Carpenter, Garcia, Westbrook, and Lohse which is much better than what we've had the last couple of months.
This. All the [expletive] [expletive] talk is willfully ignoring how much better Westbrook is than Suppworth.
Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL
Posted: July 31 10, 5:10 pm
by InvincibleCakeEater
Vidor wrote:
This. All the [expletive] [expletive] talk is willfully ignoring how much better Westbrook is than Suppworth.
Over 50-60 innings, about what, 7 runs, if he improves?
How many runs is losing Ludwick likely to cost?
Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL
Posted: July 31 10, 5:11 pm
by cpebbles
How much better he is than Suppan is irrelevant. How much better he is than a replacement-level player (To date, 1 win) is what matters, because that is the preferable alternative to Suppan.
Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL
Posted: July 31 10, 5:11 pm
by Tiff
Westbrook's improvement over Suppworth is probably matched by losing Ludwick, right?
Only difference is that Westbrook can walk while Ludwick is sorta held hostage for another year.
I have no statistics to back this claim but I have a hunch that Ludwick is more likely to continue being successful here than WB becoming Pineiro 2.0.
Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL
Posted: July 31 10, 5:13 pm
by Vidor
cpebbles wrote:How much better he is than Suppan is irrelevant.
Well, this is just wrong. Suppworth is the player he's replacing.
Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL
Posted: July 31 10, 5:14 pm
by cpebbles
Only because Mozeliak decided to trade a ~3 win player for a ~1.5 win player, rather than picking up some freely-available talent.
Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL
Posted: July 31 10, 5:16 pm
by Tiff
PeJon SmoltEz could match Westbrook without costing Ludwick.
Maybe not but they'll perform better than SuppWorth.
Re: P.6 Ludwick to SD; Westbrook and Pads prospect to STL
Posted: July 31 10, 5:17 pm
by Magneto2.0
cpebbles wrote:Only because Mozeliak decided to trade a ~3 win player for a ~1.5 win player, rather than picking up some freely-available talent.
For example?