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heyzeus wrote:
trill wrote:Mad Men remains a rich and compelling show.
This.

The point of Mad Men is to pose the question - what happens when the world changes around a flawed and narcissistic individual who is convinced that his vices are virtues?

Seasons 5 and especially 6 are when we start seeing answers to that question.
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33anda3rd wrote:
heyzeus wrote:
trill wrote:Mad Men remains a rich and compelling show.
This.

The point of Mad Men is to pose the question - what happens when the world changes around a flawed and narcissistic individual who is convinced that his vices are virtues?

Seasons 5 and especially 6 are when we start seeing answers to that question.
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Bleah. You people must like vomiting at funerals more than I do. Weak protagonist=bad drama.

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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:I'm not going to fight the masses here. But...
[SHOW]
I'm not 100% on board with that entire thing being set up solely to get skyler off the hook. I think a lot of it was real anger. Here's a review from Rolling Stones that is a better counter than I care to pen.
But look at Walt's eyes, his facial expressions, his body language, when he's giving that harangue. He only starts choking up just before he brings up Hank's death, taking "credit" for the murder that sent him over the edge in the first place. His contempt for Skyler, his rage at her perceived insubordination, his fury at not having spent his entire life being treated like the king of kings – that's all very real. That's the emotional landscape of a man who'd steal his own child, who'd give his blessing to the torture of a poor sap he once thought of as a son.
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[SHOW]
I’ve seen different reactions to Walt’s phone call to Skyler. Some say it was all a ploy to save her from prosecution; others says that it was real and he was railing at her. Does the debate surprise you?

Walley-Beckett: I personally feel like it wasn’t open to interpretation. I would hope that people got that it was an absolute ploy on Walt’s part. It is the family-man part of Walt playing the part of Heisenberg to exonerate Skyler. I was hoping that the process of the lie and the subterfuge would be clear and that viewers would be with Skyler in their understanding. When we first hear Walt, we think he’s gone full Heisenberg. It’s outrageous and horrible and abusive what he’s saying! But then we start to put the pieces together as Skyler does, and I was hoping people would sort of be traveling that journey with her.

Johnson: I had two angles on Skyler, and one of them was the side angle. I purposely turned that up to try and keep everybody in the room — the cops, Marie, Walt Jr. — present, and then I had a more intimate, straight-on camera for her. So much of her reaction to the call is about not just what she’s going through inside, but about how she plays it, how she plays along with the lie, or doesn’t. That was really important. Then Bryan’s side was a much different challenge. The complexity of it, playing one thing while feeling another, that’s always interesting to watch. The fact that the Heisenberg personality, which throughout so much of the show has liberated him to do these horrible things with impunity, has become this thing that he’s now imprisoned by. He has to put this persona on to do the thing that he never wanted to have to do, in order to save the family that he’s already lost.

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so we have the official word on spoiler etiquette per Dean Norris... 48 hours after the episode airs, everything is fair game:
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MORON ALERT 48 hours after intl release, if u not caught up on BB? a) stay the [expletive] off twitter b) @mindykaling take ur spoiler like a man
glad we got that cleared up

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Secret Weapon wrote:so we have the official word on spoiler etiquette per Dean Norris... 48 hours after the episode airs, everything is fair game:
dean norris ‏@deanjnorris 1h
MORON ALERT 48 hours after intl release, if u not caught up on BB? a) stay the [expletive] off twitter b) @mindykaling take ur spoiler like a man
glad we got that cleared up

God bless you, Dean Norris.

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Vidor wrote:http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... fTheAuthor

I say he meant some of it.
I think everyone realizes he meant some of it. I would hope they did. That doesn't mean that Walt wasn't fully aware of what he was doing.

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Brooklyn Nine-Nine made me laugh.

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Secret Weapon wrote:
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:I'm not going to fight the masses here. But...
[SHOW]
I'm not 100% on board with that entire thing being set up solely to get skyler off the hook. I think a lot of it was real anger. Here's a review from Rolling Stones that is a better counter than I care to pen.
But look at Walt's eyes, his facial expressions, his body language, when he's giving that harangue. He only starts choking up just before he brings up Hank's death, taking "credit" for the murder that sent him over the edge in the first place. His contempt for Skyler, his rage at her perceived insubordination, his fury at not having spent his entire life being treated like the king of kings – that's all very real. That's the emotional landscape of a man who'd steal his own child, who'd give his blessing to the torture of a poor sap he once thought of as a son.
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news ... z2fAxLigAq
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook
From the shows writers...
[SHOW]
I’ve seen different reactions to Walt’s phone call to Skyler. Some say it was all a ploy to save her from prosecution; others says that it was real and he was railing at her. Does the debate surprise you?

Walley-Beckett: I personally feel like it wasn’t open to interpretation. I would hope that people got that it was an absolute ploy on Walt’s part. It is the family-man part of Walt playing the part of Heisenberg to exonerate Skyler. I was hoping that the process of the lie and the subterfuge would be clear and that viewers would be with Skyler in their understanding. When we first hear Walt, we think he’s gone full Heisenberg. It’s outrageous and horrible and abusive what he’s saying! But then we start to put the pieces together as Skyler does, and I was hoping people would sort of be traveling that journey with her.

Johnson: I had two angles on Skyler, and one of them was the side angle. I purposely turned that up to try and keep everybody in the room — the cops, Marie, Walt Jr. — present, and then I had a more intimate, straight-on camera for her. So much of her reaction to the call is about not just what she’s going through inside, but about how she plays it, how she plays along with the lie, or doesn’t. That was really important. Then Bryan’s side was a much different challenge. The complexity of it, playing one thing while feeling another, that’s always interesting to watch. The fact that the Heisenberg personality, which throughout so much of the show has liberated him to do these horrible things with impunity, has become this thing that he’s now imprisoned by. He has to put this persona on to do the thing that he never wanted to have to do, in order to save the family that he’s already lost.
Cool thanks for posting.

That's what I want to believe/hope. But sometimes it is tough to get. The opposite side is very believable too.

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haltz wrote:Brooklyn Nine-Nine made me laugh.
Nice to see Andre Braugher on something good. I loved Homicide and him on Homicide especially.

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