How many Hall of Famers are playing now?

Popeye_Card · Post by **Popeye_Card** » March 26 07, 2:01 pm

Fan_In_NY wrote:
Now Hafner although he is a beast is already 30 years old. There is no way he will ever be a hall of famer. Even if he hits 40HRs each years until he turns 40 he will just pass 500 HRs which i dont think will be as automatic as it is right now.

He's a DH too. If Edgar Martinez is going to be borderline, Hafner is going to have to be very, very good throughout his entire 30's.

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StL Dan · Post by **StL Dan** » March 26 07, 2:07 pm

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/pitching/pisave1.shtml

Games Saved
All Time Leaders
'Top 100'

Name Games Rank

Trevor Hoffman 482 1
Lee Smith 478 2
John Franco 424 3
Mariano Rivera 413 4
Dennis Eckersley 390 5
Jeff Reardon 367 6
Randy Myers 347 7
Rollie Fingers 341 8
John Wetteland 330 9
Roberto Hernandez 326 10

Troy Percival 324 11
Billy Wagner 324
Jose Mesa 320 13
Rick Aguilera 318 14
Robb Nen 314 15
Tom Henke 311 16
Rich Gossage 310 17
Jeff Montgomery 304 18
Doug Jones 303 19
Bruce Sutter 300 20

Rod Beck 286 21
Armando Benitez 280 22
Todd Jones 263 23
Todd Worrell 256 24
Dave Righetti 252 25
Jason Isringhausen 249 26
Bob Wickman 247 27
Dan Quisenberry 244 28
Sparky Lyle 238 29
Ugueth Urbina 237 30

Hoyt Wilhelm 227 31
Gene Garber 218 32
Gregg Olson 217 33
Dave Smith 216 34
Jeff Shaw 203 35
Bobby Thigpen 201 36
Roy Face 193 37
Mike Henneman 193
Mitch Williams 192 39
Keith Foulke 190 40

Mike Marshall 188 41
Jeff Russell 186 42
Steve Bedrosian 184 43
Kent Tekulve 184
Eddie Guardado 183 45
Danny Graves 182 46
Tug McGraw 180 47
Ron Perranoski 179 48
Bryan Harvey 177 49
Jeff Brantley 172 50

StL Dan · Post by **StL Dan** » March 26 07, 2:45 pm

Izzy has averaged 34 saves since 1999 (7 full seasons).

If he averages 34 saves for 3 more years, he will move into the top ten on the all time list.

Other active closers that would potentially be ahead of him in the top ten at that time would be Billy Wagner, Jose Mesa and Roberto Hernandez.

Popeye_Card · Post by **Popeye_Card** » March 26 07, 3:52 pm

StL Dan wrote:Izzy has averaged 34 saves since 1999 (7 full seasons).

If he averages 34 saves for 3 more years, he will move into the top ten on the all time list.

Other active closers that would potentially be ahead of him in the top ten at that time would be Billy Wagner, Jose Mesa and Roberto Hernandez.

Up until last year, Lee Smith was the all-time leader, and he hasn't come close to election.

Izzy hasn't even been a top 5 closer in MLB during his career. He should probably be considered the best in baseball for at least a season or two to match the other closers in the Hall (Eck, Sutter, etc.).

Izzy can save another 100 games, and I think he'll be closer to falling off the ballot in the first election (actually, he probably won't even get that many votes) than the 75% required.

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clement · Post by **clement** » March 26 07, 11:51 pm

A few names I'd call very boderline are Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, and Soriano. I'd say A.Jones has the best chance of the three. I'll be surprised if Chipper Jones has a lot left in him. Injuries seem to be common and I sort of see the twilight of his career a bit like Dale Murphy's. Soriano probably shouldn't even be in this discussion.

I also think Edmonds' chances are kinda slim, unless he has a great finish to his career... which I think is far from given. Rolen is an even longer shot than Edmonds unless something changes. Izzy is very unlikely to get 100 more saves in the next 3 years and even if he does, I still think he'd be a long longshot.

I won't be surprised if none of these people make it, with the two hotshot defensive centerfielders having the best chances.

Jocephus · Post by **Jocephus** » March 26 07, 11:56 pm

is david howard still playin?

longhornbaseball · Post by **longhornbaseball** » March 27 07, 12:26 am

vance wrote:And I'm not trying to bag on Edmonds; he's just not likely a HOF. He's very good. At this point, he's just not there.

There are guys better or at least equally good who should go in if Edmonds does.

To me, Belle and Gonzalez are both HOFers before Edmonds. Personally, I think Dawson is as well considering his numbers in light of the era he played.

I don't think Edmonds in the HOF is going to reduce the quality of the HOF. There are worse players inducted for sure.

And going with the subjective side, there just has never been a time when I've thought he was a HOF. When I watched Gonzalez and Belle play, I always felt they were.

Why do seemingly inteligent Cubs fans go retarded when it comes to Edmonds?

thrill · Post by **thrill** » March 27 07, 12:31 am

longhornbaseball wrote:
vance wrote:And I'm not trying to bag on Edmonds; he's just not likely a HOF. He's very good. At this point, he's just not there.

There are guys better or at least equally good who should go in if Edmonds does.

To me, Belle and Gonzalez are both HOFers before Edmonds. Personally, I think Dawson is as well considering his numbers in light of the era he played.

I don't think Edmonds in the HOF is going to reduce the quality of the HOF. There are worse players inducted for sure.

And going with the subjective side, there just has never been a time when I've thought he was a HOF. When I watched Gonzalez and Belle play, I always felt they were.
Why do seemingly inteligent Cubs fans go retarded when it comes to Edmonds?

1, I don't think Vance has said anything remotely retarded. Edmonds is far from a sure hall of famer.
2, The same reason seemingly intelligent Cardinals fans go retarded when it comes to Zambrano.

longhornbaseball · Post by **longhornbaseball** » March 27 07, 12:52 am

thrill wrote:1, I don't think Vance has said anything remotely retarded. Edmonds is far from a sure hall of famer.

I don't take issue with anyone saying Edmonds isn't sure hall of famer. Hes defintely borderline. When you say Juan freakin Gonzalez should be in before him, I have a big promblem.

thrill wrote:2, The same reason seemingly intelligent Cardinals fans go retarded when it comes to Zambrano.

I don't think intelligent Cardinal fans go retarded when it comes to Zambranos talent. Most recognize hes one of the best pitchers in the game. We hate him because of his 5 year old temper tantrums.

Phyrkrakr · Post by **Phyrkrakr** » March 27 07, 12:56 am

TimeForGuinness wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again: Ozzie will be the last person to get into the HOF based on his defense. (Yes he had some offense, but he got in for his GGs)

Rolen and Edmonds will have a hard time getting in. IMHO.

Except for Ryne Sandberg...

But yeah, I'd say unless Rolen puts up about 5 more years at 2003/04 level, which ought to put his career BA around .290, and his HR around 400, he's not going to get in. There is a definite lack of third basemen in the HoF (the fewest of any position, except DH/bullpen) but still, Rolen is definitely a long shot.

Here's a breakdown from BP as far as Edmonds' chances at the HoF. Basically, he's likely to be considered the second best center fielder of his era, and has a very good shot at the HoF. Note: This was written before offseason surgery and the onset of PCS, so it might be a bit more rosy of an outlook than seems prudent now.

IMO, Edmonds' HoF candidacy will turn on his season this year. If he comes back strong, and can keep at that level for two-three more seasons, he's a lock. Maybe not first ballot, but definitely keeps at 50+ percent for enough years that he eventually gets in, a la Bruce Sutter. If he basically repeats his 2006 season for the next two years and then is replaced by Rasmus, he falls short, barring a very friendly veteran's committee.