NSA whistle-blower

Chat about non-baseball topics. No political discussions!
AWvsCBsteeeerike3
"I could totally eat a pig butt, if smoked correctly!"
Posts: 27537
Joined: August 5 08, 11:24 am
Location: Thinking of the Children

Re: NSA whistle-blower

Post by AWvsCBsteeeerike3 »

Like him or not, he's still on the loose and making America look stupid.
President Barack Obama has publicly displayed a relaxed attitude toward Snowden's movements, saying last month that he wouldn't be "scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker."
http://news.yahoo.com/spain-were-told-s ... 06207.html
But the drama surrounding the flight of Bolivian President Evo Morales, whose plane was abruptly rerouted to Vienna after apparently being denied permission to fly over France, suggests that pressure is being applied behind the scenes.

Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo told Spanish National Television that "they told us that the information was clear, that he was inside.
Surprised they didn't drone it

User avatar
pioneer98
Hall Of Famer
Posts: 21990
Joined: July 15 08, 8:24 pm
Location: High A Minors

Re: NSA whistle-blower

Post by pioneer98 »

Frontline aired a long documentary about the NSA last night. You can watch it here:

Frontline: United States of Secrets - How did the government come to spy on millions of Americans?

User avatar
Mary1966
President of the Ponson Fan Club
Posts: 10695
Joined: April 18 06, 10:56 pm
Location: Tacoma, WA

Re: NSA whistle-blower

Post by Mary1966 »

They are interviewing Glenn Greenwald about Edward Snowden on C-Span right now. He says that history will remember Snowden like Daniel Ellsberg.
Last edited by Mary1966 on May 15 14, 9:46 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
go birds
-go birds
Posts: 32049
Joined: February 5 10, 9:54 am

Re: NSA whistle-blower

Post by go birds »

who the hell is Daniel Ellsberg.

User avatar
pioneer98
Hall Of Famer
Posts: 21990
Joined: July 15 08, 8:24 pm
Location: High A Minors

Re: NSA whistle-blower

Post by pioneer98 »

This was only part 1 of the Frontline documentary, and it was almost 2 hours long. Part 2 is going to talk about how the internet companies like Google and Facebook got involved in this.

The things that struck me about this were:
- I really liked that some of the NSA people that backed the decision to do all of this spying agreed to be interviewed. It showed how complex this issue really is.
- Dick Cheney is portrayed as the evil puppet-master, and at one point he had made decisions that Bush didn't even know about. The document authorizing the program was kept in a safe in Cheney's office, and few people knew about it.
- John Ashcroft came off looking like a hero, sort of. Ashcroft was hospitalized when the authorization was about to expire. When Alberto Gonzalez and others came to his hospital room to get his signature to extend it, he gave a lengthy speech and refused to sign it.
- To get around that, they just changed the document so that Gonzalez could sign it instead of Ashcroft, which was illegal.
- We knew about "warrantless wiretapping" way back in 2005. The stuff Snowden brought to light was just more about how extreme the spying had become, not that it was going on.
- Some people leaked info about the program to the press. Several people who had pushed back against the practice were accused of being the leakers, but weren't. They had their houses raided by the FBI.

Despite all of the hype around this topic, I just don't think most Americans care about it that much. It's really sensational to say "The government is spying on your email and Facebook!" but it just seems like most people don't care. I don't know if its because people just trust that the government is using it to only go after terrorists, or if they like the internet so much they just accept the risk, or if it is simply apathy in general.

User avatar
Joe Shlabotnik
Hall Of Famer
Posts: 24142
Joined: October 12 06, 2:21 pm
Location: Baseball Ref Bullpen
Contact:

Re: NSA whistle-blower

Post by Joe Shlabotnik »

go birds wrote:who the hell is Daniel Ellsberg.
A guy who spoke truth to power about Vietnam in the early 70's. Leaked Pentagon docs about what was really going on there that contradicted what the Nixon administration as saying. In particular, exposing the extent of the bombing of neutral Cambodia which the admin had been denying.

Jocephus
99% conan clips
Posts: 64997
Joined: April 18 06, 5:14 pm

Re: NSA whistle-blower

Post by Jocephus »

Joe Shlabotnik wrote:
go birds wrote:who the hell is Daniel Ellsberg.
A guy who spoke truth to power about Vietnam in the early 70's. Leaked Pentagon docs about what was really going on there that contradicted what the Nixon administration as saying. In particular, exposing the extent of the bombing of neutral Cambodia which the admin had been denying.
i wikied him after marys post. looks like he shamed 3 presidents/administrations. not bad.

User avatar
Joe Shlabotnik
Hall Of Famer
Posts: 24142
Joined: October 12 06, 2:21 pm
Location: Baseball Ref Bullpen
Contact:

Re: NSA whistle-blower

Post by Joe Shlabotnik »

Jocephus wrote:
Joe Shlabotnik wrote:
go birds wrote:who the hell is Daniel Ellsberg.
A guy who spoke truth to power about Vietnam in the early 70's. Leaked Pentagon docs about what was really going on there that contradicted what the Nixon administration as saying. In particular, exposing the extent of the bombing of neutral Cambodia which the admin had been denying.
i wikied him after marys post. looks like he shamed 3 presidents/administrations. not bad.
No question the lying went all the way back to Kennedy and Johnson. Nobody's hands are clean or have ever been when it comes to American foreign policy during the Cold War up to the present. Nobody.

User avatar
Felix The Cat
Perennial All-Star
Posts: 7952
Joined: January 9 08, 5:30 pm

Re: NSA whistle-blower

Post by Felix The Cat »

pioneer98 wrote:or if it is simply apathy in general.
ding ding ding

User avatar
cardsfansince82
is shooing asian children away from his fridge.
Posts: 27779
Joined: May 17 06, 10:23 pm
Location: at the gettin' place

Re: NSA whistle-blower

Post by cardsfansince82 »

pioneer98 wrote:Despite all of the hype around this topic, I just don't think most Americans care about it that much. It's really sensational to say "The government is spying on your email and Facebook!" but it just seems like most people don't care. I don't know if its because people just trust that the government is using it to only go after terrorists, or if they like the internet so much they just accept the risk, or if it is simply apathy in general.
If only all of that shady stuff had been done by Democrats instead of Republicans, then we would care. Right now we have to focus on more important things, like BNEGHAZI and finding all those secret emails Obummer was sending to low grade IRS employees.

Post Reply