St. Louis Fans: Gutless?

[Medwick's Ghost]

Commensurate. I'll bet you concur with people too.

I don't really get you guys. You refuse to address the issue. Just want to snipe like in the Cards Talk. And you, Jim: I thought we were on the same wave length a couple of years ago.

[haltz]

Totally untrue. I feel sorry for him. It's not his fault that he can't perform commensurate with his contract.

Holliday might be the best free agent signing of the decade. It's a given that he would be worth more at the beginning than the end. The contract as a whole has been an unqualified success.

[Leroy]

I'm gutless. It's true. I have no intestines and my gall bladder is a bouncy ball.

[jim]

I have no idea who you are so I can't say if we were on the same wave length or not, but I'm guessing no.

[Medwick's Ghost]

Totally untrue. I feel sorry for him. It's not his fault that he can't perform commensurate with his contract.

Holliday might be the best free agent signing of the decade. It's a given that he would be worth more at the beginning than the end. The contract as a whole has been an unqualified success.

What about the middle? He was great in his 1st half season. He was good in the 1st full season, but for the highest paid player one would think the guy would lead the team in something after 7 years. You should know his slash line. It's totally pedestrian.

He finally DID lead the team in RBI last year, but it took him a month to catch Adams' total after he went on the DL. Furthermore, Holliday has not finished in the top 10 in any offensive category since '09. That's a far cry from Albert, Rolen, Beltran, Berkman and Edmonds, all of which were perennial top 10 finishers.

The top hitters on the team right now are: Diaz, Carp and Pisco. That's just a fact. After that MH is in the mix with JP, Moss, Yadi and Gyroko. He and Moss are almost interchangeable, except in salary. You say that he might be the best FA signing of the decade. What on earth is your criteria?

[cardinalkarp]

After that MH is in the mix with JP, Moss, Yadi and Gyroko

Other than Moss, this is completely false.

Neither Peralta, Yadi, or Gyroko is even close in terms of offense production when compared to Holliday. You're just here to stir up [expletive]. Where's that block button when you need it?

[Swirls]

Totally untrue. I feel sorry for him. It's not his fault that he can't perform commensurate with his contract.

Holliday might be the best free agent signing of the decade. It's a given that he would be worth more at the beginning than the end. The contract as a whole has been an unqualified success.

What about the middle? He was great in his 1st half season. He was good in the 1st full season, but for the highest paid player one would think the guy would lead the team in something after 7 years. You should know his slash line. It's totally pedestrian.

He finally DID lead the team in RBI last year, but it took him a month to catch Adams' total after he went on the DL. Furthermore, Holliday has not finished in the top 10 in any offensive category since '09. That's a far cry from Albert, Rolen, Beltran, Berkman and Edmonds, all of which were perennial top 10 finishers.

The top hitters on the team right now are: Diaz, Carp and Pisco. That's just a fact. After that MH is in the mix with JP, Moss, Yadi and Gyroko. He and Moss are almost interchangeable, except in salary. You say that he might be the best FA signing of the decade. What on earth is your criteria?

I know I'm going to regret even bothering to post this, because I hate feeding trolls, but I feel it's warranted here.

Here are Matt Holliday's WAR stats and value generated since he inked his seven year contract at the end of 2009:

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Year   WAR   Generated   Salary   Surplus Value
2010   6.2   $37.5MM     $17MM    $20.5MM
2011   4.4   $33.8MM     $17MM    $16.8MM
2012   4.5   $29.1MM     $17MM    $12.1MM
2013   4.0   $29.8MM     $17MM    $12.8MM
2014   3.6   $27.5MM     $17MM    $10.5MM
2015   0.9   $7.3MM      $17MM    $-9.7MM
2016   0.8   $6.6MM      $17MM    $-10.4MM
--------------------------------------------
Total  24.4  $171.6MM    $119MM   $52.6MM

How on Earth can you consider that anything but an absolutely huge success? Sure, if you had that production making the league minimum like Albert did for several years then I suppose that would be better. But other than that, so far, Holliday has been the best long-term deal Mo has ever made.

[Medwick's Ghost]

After that MH is in the mix with JP, Moss, Yadi and Gyroko

Other than Moss, this is completely false.

Neither Peralta, Yadi, or Gyroko is even close in terms of offense production when compared to Holliday. You're just here to stir up [expletive]. Where's that block button when you need it?

I'm not stirring up anything. Those 4 guys are all batting around .250. That's a fact. And if Moss had as many AB's as MH he would be leading him in everything.

And please don't forget what a poor defender MH is. He's even worse at 1b than in LF. He collided with 3 runners last week. Clumsy as hell. Does defense count for nothing to this forum?

[Medwick's Ghost]

Totally untrue. I feel sorry for him. It's not his fault that he can't perform commensurate with his contract.

Holliday might be the best free agent signing of the decade. It's a given that he would be worth more at the beginning than the end. The contract as a whole has been an unqualified success.

What about the middle? He was great in his 1st half season. He was good in the 1st full season, but for the highest paid player one would think the guy would lead the team in something after 7 years. You should know his slash line. It's totally pedestrian.

He finally DID lead the team in RBI last year, but it took him a month to catch Adams' total after he went on the DL. Furthermore, Holliday has not finished in the top 10 in any offensive category since '09. That's a far cry from Albert, Rolen, Beltran, Berkman and Edmonds, all of which were perennial top 10 finishers.

The top hitters on the team right now are: Diaz, Carp and Pisco. That's just a fact. After that MH is in the mix with JP, Moss, Yadi and Gyroko. He and Moss are almost interchangeable, except in salary. You say that he might be the best FA signing of the decade. What on earth is your criteria?

I know I'm going to regret even bothering to post this, because I hate feeding trolls, but I feel it's warranted here.

Here are Matt Holliday's WAR stats and value generated since he inked his seven year contract at the end of 2009:

Code: Select all

Year   WAR   Generated   Salary   Surplus Value
2010   6.2   $37.5MM     $17MM    $20.5MM
2011   4.4   $33.8MM     $17MM    $16.8MM
2012   4.5   $29.1MM     $17MM    $12.1MM
2013   4.0   $29.8MM     $17MM    $12.8MM
2014   3.6   $27.5MM     $17MM    $10.5MM
2015   0.9   $7.3MM      $17MM    $-9.7MM
2016   0.8   $6.6MM      $17MM    $-10.4MM
--------------------------------------------
Total  24.4  $171.6MM    $119MM   $52.6MM

How on Earth can you consider that anything but an absolutely huge success? Sure, if you had that production making the league minimum like Albert did for several years then I suppose that would be better. But other than that, so far, Holliday has been the best long-term deal Mo has ever made.

I know what WAR means, but I certainly don't understand how it's compiled. Obviously defense has no part in it or Yadi would be in the top 3 every year.

Are you telling me that Carpenter, Diaz and Pisco have a lower WAR than his? And where in the NL does MH rank in WAR? Those numbers you show for 2014 to present are not impressive. That's 3 years he's batted #3 with the WAR of an 8 hole hitter.

[wart57]

Totally untrue. I feel sorry for him. It's not his fault that he can't perform commensurate with his contract.

Holliday might be the best free agent signing of the decade. It's a given that he would be worth more at the beginning than the end. The contract as a whole has been an unqualified success.

What about the middle? He was great in his 1st half season. He was good in the 1st full season, but for the highest paid player one would think the guy would lead the team in something after 7 years. You should know his slash line. It's totally pedestrian.

He finally DID lead the team in RBI last year, but it took him a month to catch Adams' total after he went on the DL. Furthermore, Holliday has not finished in the top 10 in any offensive category since '09. That's a far cry from Albert, Rolen, Beltran, Berkman and Edmonds, all of which were perennial top 10 finishers.

The top hitters on the team right now are: Diaz, Carp and Pisco. That's just a fact. After that MH is in the mix with JP, Moss, Yadi and Gyroko. He and Moss are almost interchangeable, except in salary. You say that he might be the best FA signing of the decade. What on earth is your criteria?

I know I'm going to regret even bothering to post this, because I hate feeding trolls, but I feel it's warranted here.

Here are Matt Holliday's WAR stats and value generated since he inked his seven year contract at the end of 2009:

Code: Select all

Year   WAR   Generated   Salary   Surplus Value
2010   6.2   $37.5MM     $17MM    $20.5MM
2011   4.4   $33.8MM     $17MM    $16.8MM
2012   4.5   $29.1MM     $17MM    $12.1MM
2013   4.0   $29.8MM     $17MM    $12.8MM
2014   3.6   $27.5MM     $17MM    $10.5MM
2015   0.9   $7.3MM      $17MM    $-9.7MM
2016   0.8   $6.6MM      $17MM    $-10.4MM
--------------------------------------------
Total  24.4  $171.6MM    $119MM   $52.6MM

How on Earth can you consider that anything but an absolutely huge success? Sure, if you had that production making the league minimum like Albert did for several years then I suppose that would be better. But other than that, so far, Holliday has been the best long-term deal Mo has ever made.

I know what WAR means, but I certainly don't understand how it's compiled. Obviously defense has no part in it or Yadi would be in the top 3 every year.

Are you telling me that Carpenter, Diaz and Pisco have a lower WAR than his? And where in the NL does MH rank in WAR? Those numbers you show for 2014 to present are not impressive. That's 3 years he's batted #3 with the WAR of an 8 hole hitter.

Being hurt most of the year is a [expletive] on WAR.