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Re: Random musings
Posted: February 22 19, 2:18 pm
by Freed Roger
Are random musings really random? Not to hard to source them in a thought process. More like a sequitur usually.
For most people, a truly random thought would require LSD or something similar. No?
Asking Tim the GRB pysch.
Re: Random musings
Posted: February 22 19, 2:30 pm
by Tim
Freed Roger wrote:Are random musings really random? Not to hard to source them in a thought process. More like a sequitur usually.
For most people, a truly random thought would require LSD or something similar. No?
Asking Tim the GRB pysch.
Nobody likes a smartass
Re: Random musings
Posted: February 22 19, 4:24 pm
by Freed Roger
Tim wrote:Freed Roger wrote:Are random musings really random? Not to hard to source them in a thought process. More like a sequitur usually.
For most people, a truly random thought would require LSD or something similar. No?
Asking Tim the GRB pysch.
Nobody likes a smartass
one of rare times I wasnt trying to be one.
Re: Random musings
Posted: February 22 19, 4:58 pm
by Arthur Dent
My take:
All thought processes are random. Drug fueled thought processes just folds that randomness through a different structure of linkages which feel more random (read: unexpected) to the sober person but are more likely to feel reasonable to the also high person who has altered their own linkages in a similar manner.
Re: Random musings
Posted: February 22 19, 5:25 pm
by Jocephus
Re: Random musings
Posted: February 22 19, 5:49 pm
by Arthur Dent
Exactly
Re: Random musings
Posted: February 22 19, 6:39 pm
by Freed Roger
Arthur Dent wrote:My take:
All thought processes are random. Drug fueled thought processes just folds that randomness through a different structure of linkages which feel more random (read: unexpected) to the sober person but are more likely to feel reasonable to the also high person who has altered their own linkages in a similar manner.
Kind of sounds like you are arguing all thoughts are NOT random, even under fuel of drugs.
Under heavy drugs we are just kidding ourselves about the impetus of thought.
Which I would possibly agree.
Look at what is being mined and predicted from our smartphone movement and internet activity and credit cards etc-which basically are a derivative of our thoughts.
Homer Simpson drunk off his ass dreaming about donuts is not random. (don't tell me Homer isn't as real as most people ye naysayers...he's been alive longer than many of you!)
One could argue hardly any thought is random.
Tim, honestly I wanted your take on this. that is, if I havent ruined randomness for all forever more
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Re: Random musings
Posted: February 24 19, 1:05 pm
by Michael
Outside of some quantum mechanics [expletive] I'd argue it's likely nothing in the known universe is random. That includes us.
Goodbye free will!
Re: Random musings
Posted: February 24 19, 1:08 pm
by IMADreamer
Are we going to have to close the random musings thread now because nothing is truly random.
Re: Random musings
Posted: February 24 19, 1:53 pm
by Arthur Dent
Michael wrote:Outside of some quantum mechanics [expletive] I'd argue it's likely nothing in the known universe is random. That includes us.
Goodbye free will!
Depends on what you mean by random. In the ordinary sense of the word, the classic example is a roll of dice, which is in some sense determined precisely by momentum and collision dynamics etc. Nonetheless, it’s actually much more useful to think of the dice in terms of probable outcomes of a random process than in terms of the physics of solid motion.
Same for thought processes, IMO. The case is probably even stronger there as there is some evidence that hardcore random quantum effects are important in the brain.
