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Jocephus wrote:

You can stand your ground if you’re white, and you can use a gun to do it. But if you stand your ground with your fists and you’re black, you’re dead.

In the state of Florida, the season on African-Americans now runs year round. Come one, come all. And bring a handgun. The legislators are fine with this blood on their hands. The governor, too. One man accosted another and when it became a fist fight, one man — and one man only — had a firearm. The rest is racial rationalization and dishonorable commentary.

If I were a person of color in Florida, I would pick up a brick and start walking toward that courthouse in Sanford. Those that do not, those that hold the pain and betrayal inside and somehow manage to resist violence — these citizens are testament to a stoic tolerance that is more than the rest of us deserve. I confess, their patience and patriotism is well beyond my own.

Behold, the lewd, pornographic embrace of two great American pathologies: Race and guns, both of which have conspired not only to take the life of a teenager, but to make that killing entirely permissible. I can’t look an African-American parent in the eye for thinking about what they must tell their sons about what can happen to them on the streets of their country. Tonight, anyone who truly understands what justice is and what it requires of a society is ashamed to call himself an American.

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Socnorb11 wrote:What would have happened if Trayvon Martin had beat Zimmerman to death?

TheoSqua wrote:This case had more to do with terrible prosecutors than good defense lawyers imo.

AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:

Socnorb11 wrote:What would have happened if Trayvon Martin had beat Zimmerman to death?

What would have happened had Zimmerman turned his car around, drove to McDonalds for some food and been killed in an accident?

AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:

TheoSqua wrote:This case had more to do with terrible prosecutors than good defense lawyers imo.

Unless your assertion is that the prosecutors screwed up on purpose because they preferred Zimmerman's race to Martin's race, then my point still stands. The acquittal wasn't race-driven.

AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:I'm just taking your account as gospel here and here's what I see as wrong with that (his) account:

Zimmerman gets out of his car to see where the guy is going and what he is up to

He saw himself as law enforcement in the community, and he was going to catch the punk responsible for the burglaries

Especially this last one. He's not a cop. He's not law enforcement. People can't just assume the power of cops whenever they so desire. As a matter of fact, it should be a crime to do so lest we have a ton of trigger happy vigilantes out wandering the streets.

Socnorb11 wrote:

AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:

Socnorb11 wrote:What would have happened if Trayvon Martin had beat Zimmerman to death?

What would have happened had Zimmerman turned his car around, drove to McDonalds for some food and been killed in an accident?

I'm not sure what you mean.

I'm just wondering if Trayvon would have been convicted if he had beat Zimmerman to death. Let's assume that Zimmerman didn't have a gun, but followed Trayvon Martin. Would it be OK for Martin to beat him to death, in the name of self-defense?

Socnorb11 wrote:

AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:

TheoSqua wrote:This case had more to do with terrible prosecutors than good defense lawyers imo.

Unless your assertion is that the prosecutors screwed up on purpose because they preferred Zimmerman's race to Martin's race, then my point still stands. The acquittal wasn't race-driven.

Don't you think it's possible that Zimmerman had a top-notch attorney because Trayvon Martin was black? Wasn't Zimmerman's attorney paid for by citizens who donated to the cause? Don't you suspect that some of those citizens are racist, and were OK with the black thug being killed? I mean, I've seen a LOT of racist comments online, concerning this issue. There are some really nasty, hately, racist people out there.

wart57 wrote:

AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:I'm just taking your account as gospel here and here's what I see as wrong with that (his) account:

Zimmerman gets out of his car to see where the guy is going and what he is up to

He saw himself as law enforcement in the community, and he was going to catch the punk responsible for the burglaries

Especially this last one. He's not a cop. He's not law enforcement. People can't just assume the power of cops whenever they so desire. As a matter of fact, it should be a crime to do so lest we have a ton of trigger happy vigilantes out wandering the streets.

I don't know what you are disagreeing with. I said all along Zimmerman was a nut job with a gun. But he can't be convicted of murder due to the dumb ass law in Florida. The only thing I believe in Zimmerman's defense was that it was not a race issue. I am sure he would have followed a white or Hispanic person under the same circumstances; the race issue is enflaming the whole thing, my hope is the race issue has brought the case out in the open so that the stupid law in Florida can be changed.