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Re: Obama/Biden vs. Palin/McCain: The Thread
Posted: October 6 08, 4:03 pm
by Freed Roger
BenNX74205 wrote:I'm not sure what is so bad about capital gains tax. If you take your money and invest it, and it earns money, then people should be taxed for that. It's like earning a salary--when you make money, it gets taxed. I don't think people are arguing against an income tax.
And the problem of having to pay the capital gains tax when you take the money out for retirement or living or whatever--it's taxed then because it's (1) the easiest way to do it, and (2) it just makes more sense to do it. The other option is to tax the person every year on the small(er) amount. This is much more likely to force someone to liquidate the asset to pay the tax.
And besides, the capital gains tax rate is significantly lower than the income tax rate. I don't see capital gains tax as "double tax"--as was said earlier, only the gain is being taxed.
As for the estate tax, I'm torn because nowadays it is a very small percentage of overall tax revenue. But with the exemptions (currently $2 million/person; up to $3.5 million/person next year, but who knows what it will be come 2011), the estate tax really only affects the extremely wealthy. And really, it's not a tax on death; it's a tax on transfer of wealth--basically everything that is taxed falls into that category.
It's a bit harsh-sounding when it's called the estate tax, but it's really a VERY large gift tax situation. If someone gave all their property away before death, it would be taxed. Even if it was given to relatives.
And transfers at death aren't all bad, either. When assets are transferred at death, the receiver gets a "basis" of the current fair market value of that asset at the time of death. This is opposed to someone who gets a gift "before death," where the "basis" is what the giver paid for the asset when the giver purchased it. So, if your Dad bought Microsoft stock for $1, and gave it to you today, when you sell it your gains would be "A LOT OF MONEY" less the $1 "purchase price." That would mean paying a whole lot of taxes. But if the stock is received through a will or as a result of death, the gains on sale would be much smaller, because the "basis" in the property is much higher than $1 (unless the market really is THAT far down)...
I hope that all made sense.....
Thanks Ben. Its like you said. - someone having a capital gains tax or estate tax situation should be happy.
For what its worth -Warren Buffet and Bill Gates Sr are among several wealthy businessmen who have spoken in favor of continuing estate tax.
Re: Obama/Biden vs. Palin/McCain: The Thread
Posted: October 6 08, 4:15 pm
by PujolJunkie
Rasmussen polls are out:
Colorado - Obama 51, McCain 46 (O +5)
Missouri - Obama 50, McCain 47 (O +3)
Florida - Obama 52, McCain 47 (O +5)
Ohio - Obama 47, McCain 48 (M +1)
Virginia - Obama 50, McCain 48 (O +2)
Re: Obama/Biden vs. Palin/McCain: The Thread
Posted: October 6 08, 4:16 pm
by GatewaySnayke
Here's SUSA's
• In Virginia, SurveyUSA has Obama up 53%-43%, up from a 51%-45% Obama lead two weeks ago. The key internal number: McCain now has only a 52%-43% lead among white voters, while Obama is up 86%-13% among blacks. Also, the new Suffolk poll puts Obama ahead 51%-39%.
Re: Obama/Biden vs. Palin/McCain: The Thread
Posted: October 6 08, 4:21 pm
by AWvsCBsteeeerike3
Freed Roger wrote:For what its worth -Warren Buffet and Bill Gates Sr are among several wealthy businessmen who have spoken in favor of continuing estate tax.
I don't think because two wealthy guys gave it the thumbs up that means a lot.
I know my parents are worried about the capital gains tax and they are in no way wealthy, just trying to scrape by to get to retirement....
Re: Obama/Biden vs. Palin/McCain: The Thread
Posted: October 6 08, 4:37 pm
by Arthur Dent
Since we're reporting polls, today
Gallup shows Bush's approval rating at 25% which is only 3 points higher than the lowest they've ever recorded. Only Truman after firing General MacArthur and Nixon just before his resignation have shown a worse number.

Re: Obama/Biden vs. Palin/McCain: The Thread
Posted: October 6 08, 4:39 pm
by PujolJunkie
David Shuster is full of [expletive].
NBC National Poll - Obama 49, McCain 43 (O +6)
No shocker.
Re: Obama/Biden vs. Palin/McCain: The Thread
Posted: October 6 08, 4:43 pm
by PujolJunkie
Current RCP Averages of Battleground States:
Code: Select all
Colorado 48.0 44.0 Obama +4.0
Ohio 48.2 45.2 Obama +3.0
Florida 49.3 45.3 Obama +4.0
Nevada 49.3 47.5 Obama +1.8
Missouri 47.8 47.5 Obama +0.3
Virginia 49.9 45.1 Obama +4.8
Re: Obama/Biden vs. Palin/McCain: The Thread
Posted: October 6 08, 5:00 pm
by jim
Arthur Dent wrote:Since we're reporting polls, today
Gallup shows Bush's approval rating at 25% which is
only 3 points higher than the lowest they've ever recorded. Only Truman after firing General MacArthur and Nixon just before his resignation have shown a worse number.

He's got time.
Re: Obama/Biden vs. Palin/McCain: The Thread
Posted: October 6 08, 5:22 pm
by clevername
was there ever a more hollow 90% than that?
Re: Obama/Biden vs. Palin/McCain: The Thread
Posted: October 6 08, 5:24 pm
by Freed Roger
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:Freed Roger wrote:For what its worth -Warren Buffet and Bill Gates Sr are among several wealthy businessmen who have spoken in favor of continuing estate tax.
I don't think because two wealthy guys gave it the thumbs up that means a lot.
I know my parents are worried about the capital gains tax and they are in no way wealthy, just trying to scrape by to get to retirement....
-Buffet seems to be relied on for all sorts of market solutions and national economic issues. his opinion on this subject is not easily dismissed.
-Estate tax and capital gain tax are quite different.
-I'm familiar with a lot of retirees financial situations. What's hurt them most has been the artificially held down interest rates, the same Greenspan move that has been attributed to the housing bubble. Old people used to put all their money into safe investments like 6%+ Certificate of Dep, bonds and money markets. Sad thing is, when the return on those items diminished, many retirees felt they had no choice but to turn to stocks. And now look whats happened.
-Like I said before. Most people should be thrilled to pay capital gains tax. or to even have a capital gain.