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I'm not 100% sure but I believe it's the impact of your steps that makes a big difference..

The hard surface at Busch doesn't cushion the impact like the turf does...and the cushiony impact is harder on your knees and feet..

That's my guess but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with that
Wouldn't the hard surface put more stress on your feet, knees, etc.?

i.e. landing on a pillow is a lot softer on your body than landing on dirt.
But I think your body is anticipating a hard surface landing and when it lands softly (i.e. on a pillow) it's harder on your joints and what not..

I could be way wrong but I really think that has something to do with it

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indyredbird wrote:
Fat Strat wrote:Explain something to me. How in the world is moving from field turf to a hard dirt infield going to help Glaus' foot situation?

Reporters keep bringing this up, but I don't get it. I've played on field turf. It's nice stuff. Soft. Not really all that hard on the feet. I've played on dirt infields (though not MLB quality ones). They're not as forgiving as field turf, imo.

It's not like he's moving to the OF or anything. In fact, he'll pretty much never touch the grass at StL, except for the occassional pop up, and jogging to and from the dugout.

Sounds like an excuse Glaus is giving for his body breaking down from Steroid use to me.
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Foot surgery = body breaking down :?
I believe Glaus has had his own shoulder issues, and his feet with tendon issues. I guess I am just pissed because Rolen was my fave.
Actually your feet are prone to breaking down with steroids - at least the Achilles. I don't know about Glaus' particular injuries, but it's not that far of a stretch to think that there is a connection.

Glaus seems to have recovered from his shoulder problems. Hasn't been an issue for a couple of years. I think his foot problems are the issue of concern.

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indyredbird wrote:
cardinalkarp wrote:
indyredbird wrote:
Fat Strat wrote:Explain something to me. How in the world is moving from field turf to a hard dirt infield going to help Glaus' foot situation?

Reporters keep bringing this up, but I don't get it. I've played on field turf. It's nice stuff. Soft. Not really all that hard on the feet. I've played on dirt infields (though not MLB quality ones). They're not as forgiving as field turf, imo.

It's not like he's moving to the OF or anything. In fact, he'll pretty much never touch the grass at StL, except for the occassional pop up, and jogging to and from the dugout.

Sounds like an excuse Glaus is giving for his body breaking down from Steroid use to me.
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Foot surgery = body breaking down :?
I believe Glaus has had his own shoulder issues, and his feet with tendon issues. I guess I am just pissed because Rolen was my fave.
And karp's the first board member to actively defend one of our own now. You probably didn't even know you were doing it, did you, karp? Funny how that happens.

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JGant82 wrote:The hard surface at Busch doesn't cushion the impact like the turf does...and the cushiony impact is harder on your knees and feet..

That's my guess but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with that
So the advantage of playing on grass/dirt is that it's a harder surface than turf? I've got to admit I've never heard that but I don't know enough about it, except what I thought common sense would dictate, so I can't really comment.

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indyredbird wrote:Does it seem like the Cards have alot of communication issues? How many free agents have the Cards loss because of the players not hearing of an offer (Polanco, Benes) Others have complained about communication (Eckstein, Woody Williams)

If there was a big rift between Rolen and TLR, why didn't either GM hold a meeting to hash it out. Funny on how 3 of the Cards greatest fielders (Rolen, Ozzie, Edmonds) have a problem with TLR.

I really wish TLR would have left with Walt.
Where are these "Edmonds had a problem with TLR" comments coming from? I don't remember Jimmy ever being pissed at the manager. My understanding was to the contrary.

Oh, and Polanco's communication problem was entirely his agent's fault. He fired the guy over it, in fact.
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It sounded to me like Edmonds actually respected TLR and got along with him but he didn't want a platooning situation. He believes he's still the ace CF....
Polanco's agent was definitely at fault; and Ozzie couldn't accept the fact that he was getting old and it was time to retire.....

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Richie Allen wrote:
JGant82 wrote:The hard surface at Busch doesn't cushion the impact like the turf does...and the cushiony impact is harder on your knees and feet..

That's my guess but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with that
So the advantage of playing on grass/dirt is that it's a harder surface than turf? I've got to admit I've never heard that but I don't know enough about it, except what I thought common sense would dictate, so I can't really comment.
The few things I've read about it mention shock absorption and that too much of it (i.e. with the field turf) can be really bad on your legs/feet..

That's why you see a lot of ACL injuries on turf because it's harder to plant on..so I'm ASSUMING/guessing that the shock absorption has something to do with your feet as well

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JGant82 wrote:The few things I've read about it mention shock absorption and that too much of it (i.e. with the field turf) can be really bad on your legs/feet..

That's why you see a lot of ACL injuries on turf because it's harder to plant on..so I'm ASSUMING/guessing that the shock absorption has something to do with your feet as well
I can see how a twisting action under your feet, might potentially reek havoc on your knees.

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Fat Strat wrote:Explain something to me. How in the world is moving from field turf to a hard dirt infield going to help Glaus' foot situation?

Reporters keep bringing this up, but I don't get it. I've played on field turf. It's nice stuff. Soft. Not really all that hard on the feet. I've played on dirt infields (though not MLB quality ones). They're not as forgiving as field turf, imo.

It's not like he's moving to the OF or anything. In fact, he'll pretty much never touch the grass at StL, except for the occassional pop up, and jogging to and from the dugout.
As far as pure running goes, most problems with the feet (including plantar fasciitis) usually stem from repetitive stresses. On an unvarying surface, your body is subjected to exactly the same forces with every strike of the foot. Not only is the stress of an impact exaggerated by any hard surface (and by the increased mass size of the runner), but it is also repeated excessively because the mechanics of every step are exactly the same.

In theory, a switch to dirt *might* only help if it was loose enough that running/stepping/planting differed with each step. Think of running in sand for an extreme example of what I'm talking about. I've never touched MLB quality dirt either, but I can't imagine that it's going to make a tremendous difference. Infields are specifically designed to be as regular a surface as possible, which means you're not going to see much variance and softness. That, in turn, means that you shouldn't be expecting any miracles for Glaus' feet simply by switching stadiums.

One can even view Pujols and his lingering condition as circumstantial evidence that supports that theory.

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I just caught up on the rest of the discussion about surfaces.

Running on hard, repetitive surfaces stresses your feet, ligaments, shins, etc. as the repetitive stresses cause wear and tear. The impact on joints is minimized because the body knows how to brace itself appropriately for the impact before it occurs.

Running on softer, uneven surfaces eases the stresses on the areas mentioned above because there is a lack of repition and pure force of impact is minimized somewhat...however, it places more stress on your joints (you knees and ankles specifically) as your body is unable to prepare itself (balance-wise, etc.) for a landing and thus absorb the stresses evenly across a balanced and ready structure. You hit and then the joints absorb the stresses randomly/unevenly as your body reacts to the impact to maintain balance and posture. This repeats over and over, placing repeated and uneven stresses on the joints, which can lead to injury in that area.
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In my opinion, the "switch to grass improves foot health" is based on outdated information. I don't think sportswriters have come to grips that an artificial surface is no longer the "painted asphalt" Astroturf of the past.

I was lucky enough to go to Old Busch for fan appreciation day in 1994, where they let all fans roam around anywhere on the field they pleased (including running the bases). I remember walking around on the old Astroturf there, and it was like a carpeted basement. About a half inch, tightly wound pile on top of a solid, concrete surface.

Field turf is nothing like that nowadays, but sportswriters still remember the foot/knee/ankle problems caused by all those artificial surfaces, and they haven't quite caught up yet. It's the same as the HOF voters still using batting average, wins, and ERA as definitions of success.

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