How many Hall of Famers are playing now?

haltz · Post by **haltz** » March 27 07, 1:48 am

Regarding Edmonds, do yourselves a favor and read this piece by Brian Gunn and Rich Lederer.

His numbers should be strikingly similar to Duke Snider's (he already has him in Warp3, but unfortunately I think 400 HR will be important) when he is done, plus perennial Gold Gloves.

Jmodene · Post by **Jmodene** » March 27 07, 3:59 am

FWIW, I don't think Jason Isringhausen gets in, no matter how many saves he winds up with. The Hall has a built-in prejudice against relief pitchers; to date, only Wilhelm, Fingers, Eckersley, and Sutter have been elected.

That's it.

Mariano Rivera may make it - but I doubt anybody else will, with the possible exception of Goose Gossage. Lee Smith probably won't make it; neither will Jeff Reardon or Trevor Hoffman.

And Juan Gonzales and Albert Belle have no chance whatsoever. Juan Gone because he's perceived as not as good as he was supposed to be; Belle just on general principles - there's no way the sportswriters are going to elect him.

Edmonds still has a chance. Rolen needs to stay healthy; if he does, then he's got a very good chance, given that he could wind up ranking among the top five or ten third basemen of all time.

robbotis · Post by **robbotis** » March 27 07, 7:26 am

No Shot:
Izzy
Helton
Sosa

Could be in, but too early to say:
Halladay
Santana
Andruw Jones
Rolen
Soriano

Of the guys mentioned I think the most interesting cases will be Thome, Schilling, Edmonds, and Tejeda.
I could see those 4 getting in.

And just after a quick review- 25 is a pretty decent bet of the number of Hall of Famers playing at a given time. Just a quick view of 1965 showed at least 32 Hall of Famers playing that year.

Hungary Jack · Post by **Hungary Jack** » March 27 07, 7:44 am

Has anyone mentioned John Gall?

valley_card22 · Post by **valley_card22** » March 27 07, 7:50 am

The HOF hates closers. But , Riveria seems to be a lock. Hes the most dominate closer of his era (similar to the others who've gotten in). Hoffman I think should get in as well. Izzy at no point was a top 3 closer. He was maybe top 5 at some points, top ten at others. If he hangs on and gets another 140 saves, then hes MAYBE boarderline. I think hes in the Hall of Good, not fame.

Pitching is whats gonna be interesting. No one else other then Glavine/Maddux has a shot at 300 wins for a LONG time. What will be the bench mark in this era? 250?

Popeye_Card · Post by **Popeye_Card** » March 27 07, 7:53 am

clement wrote:A few names I'd call very boderline are Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, and Soriano. I'd say A.Jones has the best chance of the three. I'll be surprised if Chipper Jones has a lot left in him. Injuries seem to be common and I sort of see the twilight of his career a bit like Dale Murphy's. Soriano probably shouldn't even be in this discussion.

I think Chipper will make it.

Gray Ink: Batting - 86 (263) (Average HOFer ≈ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting - 50.3 (74) (Average HOFer ≈ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting - 128.0 (103) (Likely HOFer > 100)

And these are cummulative, so he can only add to them.

He was the offensive centerpiece for 11 of the Braves' string of championships. He won 1 MVP, and finished in the top 10 five other times (plus two more 11th finishes). With the dearth of 3B's in the hall, I think he'll be elected easily as long as he doesn't completely fall off. He's been injured the last few years, but he's still put up OPS+'s of 141, 117, 147, and 157 since 2003.

Possibly the most underrated player of this generation, considering that he plays on the Braves, who get plenty of attention.

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UK · Post by UK » March 27 07, 4:12 pm

Thome will get in, despite my bias in favor of him.

Wekse5 · Post by **Wekse5** » March 28 07, 12:01 pm

Phyrkrakr wrote:
TimeForGuinness wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again: Ozzie will be the last person to get into the HOF based on his defense. (Yes he had some offense, but he got in for his GGs)

Rolen and Edmonds will have a hard time getting in. IMHO.
Except for Ryne Sandberg...

you think sandberg got in based solely on his defense?

Jmodene · Post by **Jmodene** » March 28 07, 12:04 pm

Sandberg got in because of Wrigley Field.

Riviera, BTW, has a huge advantage over Hoffman - he's a Yankee.

Phyrkrakr · Post by **Phyrkrakr** » March 28 07, 12:34 pm

Wekse5 wrote:
Phyrkrakr wrote:
TimeForGuinness wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again: Ozzie will be the last person to get into the HOF based on his defense. (Yes he had some offense, but he got in for his GGs)

Rolen and Edmonds will have a hard time getting in. IMHO.
Except for Ryne Sandberg...

you think sandberg got in based solely on his defense?

Frankly, I don't know HOW he got in. A career .285 hitter with < .800 OPS and 2300 hits doesn't strike me as HoF caliber, especially with the Cubbies' postseason futility. 9 Gold Gloves were the only reason I could come up with. At this point, Scott Rolen is going to beat most of that, except maybe average if his falls off a cliff (he's currently a .285 hitter)