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haltz wrote:

cabby7588 wrote:Jamal Lewis has almost 1000 more carries in his career than McGahee, so I think that dismisses any debate about age.

I'm the one that pointed out the carries, and there is no debate about age.

Yards per carry, which is by far the best way to evaluate a running back

How is this possible? How much of that has to do with O-line and defenses faced?

I don't think McGahee is that good. In his second and third full-time years in the NFL, which should be among his best I would assume, he has basically been slightly more productive than Jamal Lewis has been (according to you, terrible) with less touchdowns. At least Lewis is talented and has done it before.

cabby7588 wrote:McGahee isn't talented? Spare me. What about Lewis do you see as talented? Like I said before, Jamal was good, and is useless now. It's hard to debate that Jamal is better now than Willis. The only way to tell if Willis will excel under a better O-Line is to watch him this season. He will have season highs in all stat categories.

lazypenguin wrote:

Michael wrote:A little too much AFC love.

Maybe cause the NFC sucks.

haltz wrote:

Lewis has had some amazing season. (Remember that like 300 yard game or whatever he had to set the NFL record?), but he isn't any good anymore.

I know running backs don't have a great shelf-life, but why do you say he isn't good anymore? He's 28 and here is his career so far:

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                 |          Rushing         |        Receiving        |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards    Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 2000 bal |  16 |   309   1364    4.4    6 |    27    296  11.0    0 |
| 2002 bal |  16 |   308   1327    4.3    6 |    47    442   9.4    1 |
| 2003 bal |  16 |   387   2066    5.3   14 |    26    205   7.9    0 |
| 2004 bal |  12 |   235   1006    4.3    7 |    10    116  11.6    0 |
| 2005 bal |  15 |   269    906    3.4    3 |    32    191   6.0    1 |
| 2006 bal |  16 |   314   1132    3.6    9 |    18    115   6.4    0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
|  TOTAL   |  91 |  1822   7801    4.3   45 |   160   1365   8.5    2 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Then you dismiss out of hand that he could be nearly as good as this dude (OK, there's the part about coming from a bad blocking team, however #19 and #26 doesn't sound like that big of a deal. You also say he's five years younger when it's more like 26 months):

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                 |          Rushing         |        Receiving        |
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| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards    Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 2004 buf |  16 |   284   1128    4.0   13 |    22    169   7.7    0 |
| 2005 buf |  16 |   325   1247    3.8    5 |    28    178   6.4    0 |
| 2006 buf |  14 |   259    990    3.8    6 |    18    156   8.7    0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
|  TOTAL   |  46 |   868   3365    3.9   24 |    68    503   7.4    0 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

I don't really follow the NFL, and no one seems to answer my questions in this thread. So what's so telling here besides the fact that McGahee is 2 years younger. The three seasons worth of attempts?

Popeye_Card wrote:The prevailing rumor about Jamal Lewis is that he's gotten a bit "soft" since his prison stint and injuries. That he just doesn't play with the same drive and determiniation--being perfectly willing to go down after decent contact, rather than fighting through it and getting those extra yards.

The NFL is a tough league, where the difference in talent between most players is negligible. You have the smallest slip in tenacity, and it will show up on the field.

--P--

Radio_Bugtussle wrote:We call it the Non Football Conference here in the Chiefs Kingdom.

cabby7588 wrote:[A sig or avatar bet will be necessary don't think think so?

Brodie wrote:GO BRONCO'S
-Brodie

ToughGuy_BlueShirt wrote:Is that when the SB is this year? I know it changes constantly.