TV Thread - beware, [expletive] can get spoilery

[Jocephus]

well that would make sense.

mean spiritedness is a part of comedy. murphy is an comedic icon (though not my favorite) but he was a wuss to get so bent out of shape over it.

i have no idea if spade is a mean or nice guy. i wouldn't try to assume from his comedy.

[33anda3rd]

but dont you go on about IASIP, you just said they are like seinfeld, terrible people, mean spiritdness but hiliarous, etc...why because of spade do you pull out all the stops?

He once overheard David Spade saying that anyone who drinks anything fancier than Budweiser and Jim Beam is a [expletive].

come on now. I've never implied that about anything, go back and read the bourbon thread where my argument was that the best bourbon is the one you like, where it got all twisted and a bunch of people wanted to call me out for elitism that wasn't there. This is an unnecessary comment. All I'm saying, again, is that it's ironic and funny that Spade made that comment and then his career has fallen a lot lower than Eddie Murphy's.

[Jocephus]

but dont you go on about IASIP, you just said they are like seinfeld, terrible people, mean spiritdness but hiliarous, etc...why because of spade do you pull out all the stops?

There's a big difference between
1. here's a story about five fictional [expletive] losers in Philly doing really depraved, narcissistic, nihilistic stuff, and
2. Hi I'm David Spade, and here's a personal, snide, sarcastic attack-based comment about Eddie Murphy.

You don't crap on the greats who came before you. You just don't do it. You show respect. Even if they have fallen, you pass on that joke and you write another one that doesn't involve knocking someone who had the same job you had, and was probably a top-3 all-time SNL cast member, when you're on SNL. Comedians make fun of everything, nothing is sacred. But you will pretty much never, outside a Comedy Central roast, find a comedian making fun of another comedian's career. That's taboo, and it's taboo for a reason. Because they can--and most will--all end up there.

again, because of your preferences you are [expletive] on spade.

don't crap on the greats who came before you? and you had improv days? yeesh. i'll back out.

[33anda3rd]

I'll put it this way.

Let's say that today, at Spring Training, Garrett Richards made a joke about how far Albert Pujols production has fallen. Like, haha, look at me, I was a stud pitcher last year and Pujols is just a shadow of his former self.

We'd agree that that lacked class, speaking of a teammate that way, yes? And we might find it a bit ironic and funny and rewarding, as people with a soft spot for Pujols, when Richards has a similar decline in his career and ends up in even worse shape than Albert Pujols, career-wise, yes?

When I had my improv days, yeah, we didn't talk negatively of anyone. Ever. I could watch a great Harold team have a flat, uninspired, awful show but it's improv and I had more than my fair share, so talking [expletive] about people on a team that came before me and that's better than my team, or a team younger and not as good as mine, would do me, in the general scheme of things, zero good. None whatsoever. Spade got a laugh on TV for all of 10 seconds for crapping on a pantheon-level SNL player. But what good did it do him long-term?

[Vidor]

"This is a ridiculous conversation," he says to himself while simultaneously deciding to take part

Seriously. Looks like their are two people who are still angry about a David Spade joke 20 years after the fact. And Rob Schneider's movies, while they sold tickets for a little while, were objects of widespread popular scorn. "Deuce Bigalow 2" inspired one of the nastiest reviews Roger Ebert ever wrote.

http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/deuce ... igolo-2005

When last heard from, Schneider was losing a job with State Farm Insurance because he's an anti-vaxxer nutjob, and insurance companies like vaccinations very much. So it's weird to read anyone holding up Rob Schneider as an example of SNL success. Or for that matter Dana Carvey, as noted above, who did make those two Wayne's World films but otherwise has been a failure. Or Darrell Hammond, who I think holds the record for longest tenure on the show but whose post-show career turned out so badly that he had to come back as the announcer after Don Pardo finally died.

So I dunno, David Spade is hardly one of the show's superstars but also hardly one of their notorious failures. Had a pretty ordinary TV sitcom career, nowhere near what a guy like Eddie Murphy has achieved, but also, as previously noted, better than Meadows or Macdonald or Carvey or Laraine Newman or Tim Kazurinsky or Brad Hall, etc etc etc.

[Freed Roger]

I don't know/care much about this Eddie Murphy drama - I was just watching some of the red carpet pre-show, and all those SNL people seemed excited to see Eddie Murphy back. Then they showed a bunch of clips & I was like -oh yeah, I remember what a big deal he was. Then I recall those stand-up videos (Ice cream man!) -how big they were in the day. So with this build-up, all of the sudden I was interested in watching Eddie Murphy too.

And then his role that evening- a boring special honorarium -was odd considering the whole evening was about honoring people involved with the show.

[Jocephus]

"This is a ridiculous conversation," he says to himself while simultaneously deciding to take part

Seriously. Looks like their are two people who are still angry about a David Spade joke 20 years after the fact.

no ones angry. i thought it was funny and i still do.

[Vidor]

In other news, a "Mad Men" teaser.

http://www.avclub.com/article/what-fun- ... n-t-215501

Lots of awful Seventies fashion. That Diana Ross song is from 1975, wonder if they're going to skip forward six years. Pete Campbell's receding hairline is even funnier.

[Jocephus]

it just hit me though, keenan did the cosby joke so i guess he's screwed

[33anda3rd]

it just hit me though, keenan did the cosby joke so i guess he's screwed

Or did Will Ferrell do the Cosby joke b/c as soon as Cosby comes up Ferrell says "no NO NO NO NO cut away, cut away. I'm sorry that was recorded six months ago."

Or is Steve Higgins (Fallon's sidekick) doomed because he wrote the Jeopardy sketch with Norm?

Or is there a difference between the Cosby joke--a man who almost certainly drugged and raped women, and it being topical and current, and that being the joke--and a joke that says "Eddie Murphy's career arc stinks!" when it's not topical or in the news or anything?