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Re: Michael Sam - NFL's first openly gay prospect

Posted: February 25 14, 4:27 am
by MrCrowesGarden
Not a good combine for Sam.

Re: Michael Sam - NFL's first openly gay prospect

Posted: February 25 14, 9:09 am
by ghostrunner
What's up with the NFL and these one-time tests, i.e. this and Wonderlic?

Re: Michael Sam - NFL's first openly gay prospect

Posted: February 25 14, 10:07 am
by StL Dan
Just the way it is. There has to be a uniform system of analysis. A baseline.

Re: Michael Sam - NFL's first openly gay prospect

Posted: February 25 14, 1:11 pm
by pioneer98
Anyone else here hoping the Arizona Cardinals draft him?

Re: Michael Sam - NFL's first openly gay prospect

Posted: February 25 14, 2:01 pm
by jim
ghostrunner wrote:What's up with the NFL and these one-time tests, i.e. this and Wonderlic?
It's the continuation of a general movement everywhere toward strict objective measurements. I think it would be interesting to give these combine type tests mid season to some star players and see how they do. I'm guessing some of the best players in the league won't be dazzling anyone with a 40 time or a 3 cone drill time or a vertical jump off the charts. Being fast and having explosive power is part of it, but there is a helluva lot more going on than that on every play. A linebacker reading a play, a running back finding the crease, a lineman with impecable footwork etc..

Also like ACT tests these guys train specifically for this. When exactly is a linebacker ever going to need the skills he is learning to shave a tenth off of his 40? Most of what they work on is the start, getting in the right runners stance, etc.. That's where the meat is for shaving time off, and none of that is relavent to playing football.

Re: Michael Sam - NFL's first openly gay prospect

Posted: February 25 14, 4:07 pm
by Socnorb11
jim wrote:
ghostrunner wrote:What's up with the NFL and these one-time tests, i.e. this and Wonderlic?
It's the continuation of a general movement everywhere toward strict objective measurements. I think it would be interesting to give these combine type tests mid season to some star players and see how they do. I'm guessing some of the best players in the league won't be dazzling anyone with a 40 time or a 3 cone drill time or a vertical jump off the charts. Being fast and having explosive power is part of it, but there is a helluva lot more going on than that on every play. A linebacker reading a play, a running back finding the crease, a lineman with impecable footwork etc..
All of those things are taken into consideration, also.

Re: Michael Sam - NFL's first openly gay prospect

Posted: February 25 14, 4:11 pm
by AWvsCBsteeeerike3
Isn't there a saying something like 'don't fall in love with a guy in shorts' because these metrics don't necessarily mean much if anything.

Re: Michael Sam - NFL's first openly gay prospect

Posted: February 25 14, 4:35 pm
by jim
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:Isn't there a saying something like 'don't fall in love with a guy in shorts' because these metrics don't necessarily mean much if anything.
That's what he said.

Re: Michael Sam - NFL's first openly gay prospect

Posted: February 25 14, 4:41 pm
by lukethedrifter
Back in the old days- says my Dad- they called them Locker Room All Americans.

Re: Michael Sam - NFL's first openly gay prospect

Posted: February 25 14, 8:16 pm
by stlouie_lipp
MrCrowesGarden wrote:Not a good combine for Sam.
Doesn't matter. The story is already written.