2016 Election Thread (My God Kill Me Now)

[Cheddar Tom]

That's why it's good for Bernie to stay in the race....Hill-Dog still makes me very uncomfortable with her shape-shifting policies, but IMO she's still better than anything that will be produced on the other side.

Speaking of the Bern....Charles Pierce wrote a good article at Esquire on how he thinks Bernie looks tired. He said Bernie was much more energized by talking about the horrible things going on in Wisconsin than he was running thru the stump speech. Thought it was interesting. Hopefully after the nomination is settled Bernie will go out and fire up his voters to take on downballot candidates/issues.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

That's why it's good for Bernie to stay in the race....Hill-Dog still makes me very uncomfortable with her shape-shifting policies, but IMO she's still better than anything that will be produced on the other side.

I agree. I like that Bernie is keeping her honest and pushing her left. I don't like Bernie as VEEP but I hope he is there to ensure someone like Warren is seriously considered.

Bernie better campaign this fall and make sure he gets all those kids out to vote when it counts. Not so much for President but the down ballot races that are REALLY important.

[Jocephus]

Three months ago Hillary was against a national $15 miminum wage and yesterday she's raising her arms in triumph when Cuomo signs it in for New York.

She's unbelievable.

My understanding is that she's been for $12 nationally and $15 in NY and CA.

EDIT - it's on her site

Raising the minimum wage and strengthening overtime rules. Hillary believes we are long overdue in raising the minimum wage. She has supported raising the federal minimum wage to $12, and believes that we should go further than the federal minimum through state and local efforts, and workers organizing and bargaining for higher wages, such as the Fight for 15 and recent efforts in Los Angeles and New York to raise their minimum wage to $15. She also supports the Obama administration’s expansion of overtime rules to millions more workers.

do you see any "last edited at" at the bottom of the page at all?

[Schlich]

Mods have edit overlord powers, its not fair.

Hillary supporting $12 nationally but supporting states to push for $15 is the ultimate hedge your bets Clinton stance. Pretty similar to her stance on gay marriage... As soon as that $15 federal wage is passed she gets to stand and say "we did it!"

All part of her superior politicking, I suppose.

[Jocephus]

Mods have edit overlord powers, its not fair.

i meant on the hilary site (if i understand you correctly)

[Schlich]

oh. lol.

[ghostrunner]

Three months ago Hillary was against a national $15 miminum wage and yesterday she's raising her arms in triumph when Cuomo signs it in for New York.

She's unbelievable.

My understanding is that she's been for $12 nationally and $15 in NY and CA.

EDIT - it's on her site

Raising the minimum wage and strengthening overtime rules. Hillary believes we are long overdue in raising the minimum wage. She has supported raising the federal minimum wage to $12, and believes that we should go further than the federal minimum through state and local efforts, and workers organizing and bargaining for higher wages, such as the Fight for 15 and recent efforts in Los Angeles and New York to raise their minimum wage to $15. She also supports the Obama administration’s expansion of overtime rules to millions more workers.

do you see any "last edited at" at the bottom of the page at all?

Goes back to at least October:

https://web.archive.org/web/20151013200 ... n-incomes/


Also, $12 nationally and $15 in certain states is not a hedge. I mentioned in another thread, maybe 2 threads, the 1969 minimum wage (when it was at peak purchasing power) in today's dollars would be around $11. The current minimum is $7.25.

You wouldn't make the national wage based on high cost of living areas. You'd set the floor and let high $ states and cities set it higher. That's a very reasonable position.

[Popeye_Card]

It is a very reasonable position. I'd go even further, and suggest that minimum wage probably even shouldn't be that high across all of NY, as the cost of living in NYC and Buffalo are pretty different.

[Schlich]

Three months ago Hillary was against a national $15 miminum wage and yesterday she's raising her arms in triumph when Cuomo signs it in for New York.

She's unbelievable.

My understanding is that she's been for $12 nationally and $15 in NY and CA.

EDIT - it's on her site

Raising the minimum wage and strengthening overtime rules. Hillary believes we are long overdue in raising the minimum wage. She has supported raising the federal minimum wage to $12, and believes that we should go further than the federal minimum through state and local efforts, and workers organizing and bargaining for higher wages, such as the Fight for 15 and recent efforts in Los Angeles and New York to raise their minimum wage to $15. She also supports the Obama administration’s expansion of overtime rules to millions more workers.

do you see any "last edited at" at the bottom of the page at all?

Goes back to at least October:

https://web.archive.org/web/20151013200 ... n-incomes/


Also, $12 nationally and $15 in certain states is not a hedge. I mentioned in another thread, maybe 2 threads, the 1969 minimum wage (when it was at peak purchasing power) in today's dollars would be around $11. The current minimum is $7.25.

You wouldn't make the national wage based on high cost of living areas. You'd set the floor and let high $ states and cities set it higher. That's a very reasonable position.

Living in upstate New York-- even somewhere like Buffalo--couldn't be further than living in NYC... that argument falls way flat with me. Unless you think NYC should go even higher. Even then, you're setting the $15 floor pretty low.

I don't care particularly much about $12 vs $15 but to me there's more politics than economics involved in both candidates' stances.

Edit: popeye beat me to it.

[Radbird]

Preview of tonight's sound bites:

"God bless the great people of Wisconsin!"

"I was treated very unfairly. You wouldn't believe how poorly I was treated. Women love me. You wouldn't believe how much they love me. And my hands are not small."

"Where again is Wisconsin? What, me dropout? On to an open convention!!"

"This is a huuuuuuge victory."

"Wisconsin is a rounding error in the delegate count. I'm focused on NY where the people love their former senators."