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Reading D Goold chat. I found this piece interesting.

South City Steve
Jul 25, 2023 3:39 PM
Mo is not getting fired, hard fact. But is it unreasonable to expect DeWitt to shuffle responsibilities within the FO? For instance, Mo shouldn't be allowed anywhere near free agency. He is awful at this part of his job, especially when it comes to deals beyond 2-years. Why can't DeWitt remove that from his purview, I wouldn't think the results dictate some change.

Derrick Goold
Mod
Jul 25, 2023 3:39 PM
You actually are advocating for Mozeliak's idea. This is what he has suggested as something he'd like to see happen in the next few years.

Famous Mortimer wrote: ↑

July 26 23, 6:00 pm

cardsfantx wrote: ↑

July 26 23, 5:55 pm

Awwwwww

Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out

K

Thx

Bye

Some of you act like certain Cardinals players cheated on your mothers.

Nah, I just don't like what I see of him. I don't know him, so that's the extent of it.

It’s gonna be so awkward when the cardinals don’t trade Flaherty

go birds wrote: ↑

July 26 23, 10:06 pm

It’s gonna be so awkward when the cardinals don’t trade Flaherty

It actually wouldn't shock me if they didn't, and they gave him a new deal. Sounded like he was open to it. But if they do trade him (which they should), they better get something good back. I put him and Giolito in the same tier.

Magneto2.0 wrote: ↑

July 27 23, 3:09 am

go birds wrote: ↑

July 26 23, 10:06 pm

It’s gonna be so awkward when the cardinals don’t trade Flaherty

It actually wouldn't shock me if they didn't, and they gave him a new deal. Sounded like he was open to it. But if they do trade him (which they should), they better get something good back. I put him and Giolito in the same tier.

i'd be shocked if flaherty got the same return, mainly because what other teams are as desperate as the angels.

what would a similar deal look like for the cards? flaherty + hicks?

LA would prolly be a good partner. maybe nab vargas or one their pitching prospects (stone, sheehan, hurt).

go birds wrote: ↑

July 27 23, 7:39 am

Magneto2.0 wrote: ↑

July 27 23, 3:09 am

go birds wrote: ↑

July 26 23, 10:06 pm

It’s gonna be so awkward when the cardinals don’t trade Flaherty

It actually wouldn't shock me if they didn't, and they gave him a new deal. Sounded like he was open to it. But if they do trade him (which they should), they better get something good back. I put him and Giolito in the same tier.

i'd be shocked if flaherty got the same return, mainly because what other teams are as desperate as the angels.

what would a similar deal look like for the cards? flaherty + hicks?

LA would prolly be a good partner. maybe nab vargas or one their pitching prospects (stone, sheehan, hurt).

Yeah that's probably a fair comp, if we take Giolito a tick more valuable than Flaherty and Hicks is a tick more valuable than Reynaldo Lopez

The Angels have a really bad system, so I'm not sure if they match for what the Cardinals need.

Teams that really need pitching help in either the rotation or the bullpen are the Dodgers, Orioles, Diamondbacks, Giants, Yankees.

Teams want Flaherty because they can pay less and potentially get more production. Maybe they can. The contenders have a better coaching staff, manager and catcher.

cardsfantx wrote: ↑

July 26 23, 5:08 pm

MinorLeagueGuy wrote: ↑

July 26 23, 5:05 pm

They already got Kike back. So does that affect a need to grab PDJ?

They just picked up SS Amed Rosario from the guardians

Moz has always been slow on the uptake..

Magneto2.0 wrote: ↑

July 26 23, 7:54 pm

Reading D Goold chat. I found this piece interesting.

South City Steve
Jul 25, 2023 3:39 PM
Mo is not getting fired, hard fact. But is it unreasonable to expect DeWitt to shuffle responsibilities within the FO? For instance, Mo shouldn't be allowed anywhere near free agency. He is awful at this part of his job, especially when it comes to deals beyond 2-years. Why can't DeWitt remove that from his purview, I wouldn't think the results dictate some change.

Derrick Goold
Mod
Jul 25, 2023 3:39 PM
You actually are advocating for Mozeliak's idea. This is what he has suggested as something he'd like to see happen in the next few years.

Are we to believe John doesnt have the sway to do this? He's the head of baseball operations. Does DeWallet have cart blanche when it comes to adding 100's of millions of dollars to payroll? Yes, there arent many owners who dont. But for John to be like 'my hands are tied' when it comes to some FO level hire that would relieve him of the burden of player acquisition, is flat out gaslighting [expletive]. Hire Girsch an assistant, if he is the "GM", so he can pass off the scouting etc. But none of us are even sure who does the picking and choosing, right? Moz has never come out, like he has with players/coaches, and said "so and so just isnt doing their job right now" in the FO. So he has never laid the blame for getting failed talent at Girsch's feet. Thus, we are left to believe that MG really doesnt do anything except wash Moz's balls. *John Mozeliak wants to step farther away from player acquisition. But the guy hired to do that, doesnt even get in the press as normal GM's do; all the press for this and that mention Mozeliak, and DeWitt. That's it.. Those are the guys.*

My head hurts. From John Denton at MLB.com

Flaherty, who pitched well over five innings on Wednesday in Arizona, might not be on his way out of town just yet. The Cardinals are still holding out hope that an 11th-hour long-term extension can be reached before Tuesday, according to a source familiar with the club's thinking.

Despite years of fan speculation that Flaherty, a Southern California native, would likely jump at the chance to leave St. Louis for the West Coast, the franchise is still of the belief that Flaherty covets the opportunity to pitch for the Cardinals. The two sides have made little progress toward an extension in recent days, but the Cardinals are expected to make one more contract extension run at Flaherty before the Deadline, a source confirmed. If that fails, the Cards will likely be forced to deal Flaherty.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-poss ... moves-2023