Opening Night: Post Game Thread

GatewaySnayke · Post by **GatewaySnayke** » April 2 07, 11:05 am

Here's something I didn't realize...out of the Mets' 12 hits, only one of them went for extra bases. VEB says that the Cardinals should have "won" 5-4 using metrics that frankly I don't understand.

maddash · Post by **maddash** » April 2 07, 11:06 am

GatewaySnayke wrote:Jesus, why is it that every time someone launches into a discussion questioning La Russa's moves, 10 people stand up and defend the guy and act like he invented baseball?

It's because when someone launches into a discussion questioning La Russa, it's usually closer to a rant than clear level-headed reasoning. Is it so hard to start a debate with having to resort to these wild statements about a team or manager first.

If you really want a fair discussion, starting them with things like "I hate this team" or "La Russa's dumb moves" isn't the best way to go... even if those are you're personal opinions.

GatewaySnayke · Post by **GatewaySnayke** » April 2 07, 11:07 am

clement wrote:
GatewaySnayke wrote:Jesus, why is it that every time someone launches into a discussion questioning La Russa's moves, 10 people stand up and defend the guy and act like he invented baseball?
With all due respect, you're the one who said you "hate" this team, that you have "zero faith" in LaRussa, using terms like "dumb" and "boneheaded" to describe him. Do you really think that's how to initiate a civilized and intelligent discussion questioning his moves?

Were my reasons laced with profanity? Did they smack off irrationality? I do hate this team, because it's a lesser version of last season's team, which was not good to start with. And what does it matter if I have lost faith in La Russa or not really? Am I supposed to defer to him at all times because he is The Genius?

clement · Post by **clement** » April 2 07, 11:11 am

GatewaySnayke wrote:
clement wrote:
GatewaySnayke wrote:Jesus, why is it that every time someone launches into a discussion questioning La Russa's moves, 10 people stand up and defend the guy and act like he invented baseball?
With all due respect, you're the one who said you "hate" this team, that you have "zero faith" in LaRussa, using terms like "dumb" and "boneheaded" to describe him. Do you really think that's how to initiate a civilized and intelligent discussion questioning his moves?
Were my reasons laced with profanity? Did they smack off irrationality? I do hate this team, because it's a lesser version of last season's team, which was not good to start with. And what does it matter if I have lost faith in La Russa or not really? Am I supposed to defer to him at all times because he is The Genius?

Your opinions are your opinions. They're pretty strong opininos and you can state them any way you feel like. But don't be shocked when 10 people respond with equally strong disagreement.

GatewaySnayke · Post by **GatewaySnayke** » April 2 07, 11:11 am

maddash wrote:
GatewaySnayke wrote:Jesus, why is it that every time someone launches into a discussion questioning La Russa's moves, 10 people stand up and defend the guy and act like he invented baseball?
It's because when someone launches into a discussion questioning La Russa, it's usually closer to a rant than clear level-headed reasoning. Is it so hard to start a debate with having to resort to these wild statements about a team or manager first.

I did offer reasoning as to why La Russa was bad last night.

Look, I'm not expecting everyone to side with me on Duncan starting over Taguchi, or the squeeze or anything else that may happen over the course of the next 161 games. But if I think the moves are dumb and boneheaded, why shouldn't I say as such? We aren't debating something extremely serious in the middle of a library.

GatewaySnayke · Post by **GatewaySnayke** » April 2 07, 11:12 am

clement wrote:
GatewaySnayke wrote:
clement wrote:
GatewaySnayke wrote:Jesus, why is it that every time someone launches into a discussion questioning La Russa's moves, 10 people stand up and defend the guy and act like he invented baseball?
With all due respect, you're the one who said you "hate" this team, that you have "zero faith" in LaRussa, using terms like "dumb" and "boneheaded" to describe him. Do you really think that's how to initiate a civilized and intelligent discussion questioning his moves?
Were my reasons laced with profanity? Did they smack off irrationality? I do hate this team, because it's a lesser version of last season's team, which was not good to start with. And what does it matter if I have lost faith in La Russa or not really? Am I supposed to defer to him at all times because he is The Genius?
Your opinions are your opinions. They're pretty strong opininos and you can state them any way you feel like. But don't be shocked when 10 people respond with equally strong disagreement.

That's not my problem so much as it is "oh how DARE you question the great La Russa!"

mcgee51taguchi99 · Post by **mcgee51taguchi99** » April 2 07, 11:15 am

GatewaySnayke wrote:That's not my problem so much as it is "oh how DARE you question the great La Russa!"

no one said anything close to that

GatewaySnayke · Post by **GatewaySnayke** » April 2 07, 11:17 am

mcgee51taguchi99 wrote:
GatewaySnayke wrote:That's not my problem so much as it is "oh how DARE you question the great La Russa!"
no one said anything close to that

What the hell does LaRussa have to do to get the benefit of the doubt anyway?

For Chrissake - the best 10 years of baseball by this team and reigning champs and this is what he gets. Feh.

TimeForGuinness · Post by **TimeForGuinness** » April 2 07, 11:18 am

I liked the squeeze, because we sure weren't hitting Glavine. The crowd was quiet and why not? It's the first game.

Oquendo waving Eckstein home was not a good call.

Take a deep breath, and repeat after me: It's April.

GatewaySnayke · Post by **GatewaySnayke** » April 2 07, 11:19 am

TimeForGuinness wrote:I liked the squeeze, because we sure weren't hitting Glavine. The crowd was quiet and why not? It's the first game.

Oquendo waving Eckstein home was not a good call.

Take a deep breath, and repeat after me: It's April.

No. I must make hole in wall.