2016 Election Thread (My God Kill Me Now)

[pioneer98]

Michael Moore was on Maher the other night saying that he thinks Trump will win. He said all Trump has to do is win the states Romney won, plus Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania - all states that have elected Republican governors in recent years. Trump may fool just enough people with talk similar to the LGBTQ stuff above to peel off some moderate voters and win some close states. Moore also pointed out how people don't care if Trump is clueless - in fact to a lot of people it makes him more relatable, like Dubya.

IMO if Trump wins, it will be like a repeat of the Dubya years, but even worse. The VP will be the one actually running the country. There will probably be some terrorist attacks that will start another brutal war and get him re-elected. The economy will crash and it will be an excuse to cut taxes. When the deficit soars again they'll blame Obama. He'll nominate a few Supreme Court justices that will make Scalia look tame. It's going to be awesome.

[Radbird]

At what point will the cognitive dissonance happen so quickly that the contradictory claims will happen in the same sentence?

http://bigstory.ap.org/d2b6f9de782e485eb3025ac7bed51013

Trump's call in his speech to the Republican National Convention for protecting the "LGBTQ community" was a watershed moment for the Republican Party — the first time the issue has been elevated in a GOP nomination address. Four years ago, Mitt Romney never uttered the word "gay," much less the full acronym — standing for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer or questioning.

But Trump, as if to drive the point home, said it not once, but twice.

"I will do everything in my power to protect our LGBTQ citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology," Trump said, adding for emphasis: "Believe me."

If Republican delegates gathered in Cleveland to nominate Trump were caught off-guard, they didn't show it. They cheered him — loudly.

Even the candidate seemed surprised.

"I have to say, as a Republican it is so nice to hear you cheering for what I just said," Trump ad-libbed. "Thank you."

The unequivocal appeal for a more inclusive tone is likely to give Trump's fellow Republicans permission to embrace an issue resonating deeply with a younger generation of voters from all sides of the political spectrum. It also puts Trump squarely at odds with the party platform adopted just three days earlier at his own nominating convention.

In fact, the GOP platform moves farther away from gay rights than past years, with a new admonition of gay parenting that says kids raised by a mother and father tend to be "physically and emotionally healthier." Preserved in the platform are opposition to gay marriage and to bathroom choice for transgender people.

He said "from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology". Nothing about the domestic one as reflected in the party platform.

[Gashouse]

Michael Moore was on Maher the other night saying that he thinks Trump will win. He said all Trump has to do is win the states Romney won, plus Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania - all states that have elected Republican governors in recent years. Trump may fool just enough people with talk similar to the LGBTQ stuff above to peel off some moderate voters and win some close states. Moore also pointed out how people don't care if Trump is clueless - in fact to a lot of people it makes him more relatable, like Dubya.

A few months ago, I was lamenting the possibility that the Cubs could win the WS, and then a week later, Trump could become president elect. At the time, I thought the Cubs had much better chances. Now, I think Trump has a better chance at becoming president than a 2016 Cubs WS victory - and I think the chances of the latter are still pretty decent.

[ghostrunner]

Wisconsin and Michigan are pretty firmly in Hillary territory at the moment. And Ohio and Pennsylvania are still looking okay for her.

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

People realize that voters don't agree with politicians on every single point, no?

[jim]

I'm voting for Gary Johnson. Trump and Hilary are a joke.

Waste of a vote - plus libertarian thought is middle school intellectualism. Unlikable as Hillary may be, you have to vote against Trump.

Someone remind me why Bernie didn't run as an independent.

Arrogant is all I can say about this comment.

[Michael]

Signs point to Kaine as Clinton’s VP choice:

Hillary Clinton’s veepstakes is ending the way it began: with the humble-but-sturdy Tim Kaine sitting at the top of her list.

And after Donald Trump’s somewhat more polished performance Thursday night, even Democrats who had been pushing for a flashier choice like Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren or New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker were sobered by the challenging four months ahead. “After last night, she needs to make the safest choice possible,” said a former senior White House aide.

“Safe” seems to be Kaine’s middle name. The Spanish-speaking former missionary and onetime swing-state governor sits on both the Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees in the Senate. And while the Warren-Sanders wing of the Democratic Party may object to some of his positions on trade and Wall Street regulation, Kaine rarely takes controversial stands or makes painful gaffes, thus fulfilling the Hippocratic oath for vice presidential nominees: First, do no harm.

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Clinton needs to do better with old white guys so here you have it.

[Gashouse]

Wisconsin and Michigan are pretty firmly in Hillary territory at the moment. And Ohio and Pennsylvania are still looking okay for her.

Agreed. I feel better when I look at places like 538 and their predictions. I wasn't thinking about specific states that Trump could realistically take, but just the general possibility.

[jim]

Not all Trump voters are racist. But a lot of racists are Trump voters.

All Trump voters are either ignoring or accepting racism. When he said Mexico is sending rapists and murderers, something which is objectively untrue, he intentionally courted racism and xenophobia..

It IS a fact that illegals have committed rape and murder.
If you think the average illegal is a quality person, you have been deceived.

Of course illegals have done all sorts of crimes, that's no different than saying US citizens are rapists and murderes because it is a fact that citizens have done that too.

If you think the average illegal(at least the ones that I have met from Mexico and Central America) is not a quality person, then you haven't gotten to know them. I have come to the realization that in many ways, both documented and undocumented people in this country are some of the most American people I have ever met. The American Dream - freedom, liberty, the chance to work hard and make a life for yourself and your family - as a group the Mexican and Central American people I know believe that as much as any citizen I know and given the opportunity would die for that. I look at this country and the decline of core family values - and then almost without exception I see the strong nucleus of family in Mexican families, and I can't help but think that's what this country is built on. Ask some average Mexican with kids what hobbies they have and they will look at you like you are from Mars. Raising their family, working. That's their hobby.

I just completely disagree with any characterization of Mexicans or Central Americans like this. On the whole, I actually have a very high regard for their culture and them as a people. To the level where I just absolutely admire them.

The American economy is built on the backs of immigrants. The beauty of this is that at the very bottom, the base of our economy and the lowest paying jobs, we end up with a group of people doing these jobs that have the brain power to be a doctor or engineer with a work ethic. They don't have the education, but the raw intelligence is there. Compare that to other countries without immigration. Who does those crappy jobs? The idiots, the people with bad work ethics. With a large immigrant population hungry for the American dream, we get ditch diggers with a brain who actually want to dig ditches, consequently better ditches dug faster. That's the base of who we are.

I agree that we have to control the border, and we have to know who is in the country, and we may have to deport people during that process. I'm not for amnesty.

When people say lies like this about a group of people it just ruins any chance of having a logical discussion over immigration.

[thrill]

Signs point to Kaine as Clinton’s VP choice

This is like that movie where Katherine Heigl is a maid of honor a million times and then finally gets married.