People who hate Hip Hop Music

[Magneto2.0]

I'm not saying you have to like it, listen to it, or anything like that. Honestly, it's targeted for younger people (13-40), so I'm not sure everyone would get into it, plus people have their own musical preferences. I respect and understand all of that and wouldn't want it any other way.

HOWEVER, it's the people that constantly insult it, calling it thug music, thinking that it's unskillful, takes no talent, and is completely detrimental to society. You have no idea what you're talking about. It's one of the hardest forms of music to perfect as far as lyricism goes. The production in lot of rap uses many samples, but the ability to flip those samples, add the right instrumentals to compliment it, and turn them into pieces of art for those of the Hip Hop culture to appreciate and enjoy takes a tremendous skill level.

[cardsfansince82]

I don't disagree with the premise of your rant. But I think the skill level has gone down a lot (at least what is considered mainstream/popular) and I find myself listening and enjoying less and less. A lot of the stuff nowadays isn't even really rap. It's coming up with a catchy beat and a new dance to go along with it more than showing lyrical skills.

[ghostrunner]

My main trouble with it seems to be in a rut as far as the popular stuff goes. Sort of the way hair metal was in the 80s. The mainstream stuff is very cliche-ridden and it's even harder to find the good stuff than it is for pop or rock. I never heard of Pharoah Monche until a few months ago, and I haven't heard of him since beyond what I've looked into on my own.

As far as the sampling, I like some rappers that use it, but I don't really see why it's necessary. Would it be that hard to come up with hooks on your own? I think anyone who did would automatically stand out from the crowd.

[Radbird]

I don't mind the concept and agree it takes talent. There's even some of it that I've heard that I like. Initially, I was turned off by the subject matter of most of the songs I heard. I don't enjoy music that glorifies violence or demeans women, and while I'm far from prudish, the language is a bit overbearing. Now I understand that is a generalization and the genre has become broader than "gansta rap" or whatever it's called (probably showing my ignorance here), but I haven't heard enough otherwise to change my mind. Any suggestions?

[Cronos]

I am in the younger part of that age range(25), and am included in the group of people who, about 90% of the time, doen't like rap/hip-hop. There are exceptions but, I generallly don't like the music, though I can definitely respect the complexity of improvisitional rapping and the difficulty of properly constructing the lyrics with the beat.

The reason I don't like it is for a few reasons: I don't believe that a song can be carried only on its lyrics. If it can, then it's poetry, not music. Secondly, in most all cases of rap and hip-hop songs I've heard, the music is either far too repetitive(namely one single beat repeated over and over and over again), just isn't very good, or both.

I don't make fun of it nearly as much as I used to when I was a kid; I realize it has quite a following and respect it for its longevity and continued development, but I do agree with Cardsfansince82 that it seems to be getting as oversaturated with poorer quality acts much like pop music in general these days.

[haltz]

Now I understand that is a generalization and the genre has become broader than "gansta rap" or whatever it's called (probably showing my ignorance here), but I haven't heard enough otherwise to change my mind. Any suggestions?

This generalization follows along with a lot of what people would call mainstream rap.

Listen to A Tribe Called Quest, Mos Def, The Roots, MURS, Handsome Boy Modeling School, Nas, MF Doom, Little Brother or Talib Kweli for starters.

Everyone seems to think that rap these days is all No Limit Records or something. I don't think the label still even exists.

You or I could list 50 great artists or bands that would be considered "pop" or "rock" but you wouldn't include Britney Spears or Nickelback. Kind of the same deal.

[Ace]

Most mainstream rap is pretty horrid. These days it's all about making a catchy club beat. Not all of it is though, as in Talib Kweli or Chamillionaire.

Underground hip hop is certainly where it's at. Great beats, creative lyrics. I don't think I could ever come close to coming up with some of the rhymes I hear.

If you want a sample of real hip hop, download uncommon valor by jedi mind tricks and listen to the second verse by R.A. the The Rugged Man.

[G. Keenan]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that there is a high correlation between people who don't like rap music and people who do not enjoy dancing.

[AdmiralKird]

HOWEVER, it's the people that constantly insult it, calling it thug music

So..... A song with lyrics like:


Soulja Boy Off In This Hoe
Watch Me Lean And Watch Me Rock
Super Man Dat Hoe
Then Watch Me Crank Dat Robocop
Super Fresh, Now Watch Me Jock
Jocking On Them Haterz Man
When I Do Dat Soulja Boy
I Lean To The Left And Crank Dat thing
(Now Yua!)
I'm Jocking On Yo [expletive] Ass
And If We Get The Fightin
Then I'm Cocking On Your [expletive] ass
You Catch Me At Yo Local Party
Yes I Crank It Everyday
Haterz Get Mad Cuz
"I got me some bapes today"
Im 2 clean off in this hoe
Watch me crank it
Watch me roll
Watch me crank that roosavelt
And super soak that Hoe [x10]
Im to fresh up in this [expletive]
Watch me shuffle
Watch me jig
Watch me crank my shoulder work
Super man that [expletive]

Should be considered a work of art created with great musicianship and not 'thug' music? Let's look at it this way, it takes talent to make, sure, but, if you're going to put your work to lyrics like "Then I'm cockin' on yo [expletive] ass", then your work is overwhelmed with a coating that only wife-beaters, ex-murders, and other ignorant 'thug' types would dream up. If you think "I'm too fresh up in this [expletive]" is production quality, then you're asking to have it called thug music. I'm not asking to put it to lyrics that expand the mind, but don't glorify senseless killing or being a prick.

[G. Keenan]

HOWEVER, it's the people that constantly insult it, calling it thug music

So..... A song with lyrics like:


Soulja Boy Off In This Hoe
Watch Me Lean And Watch Me Rock
Super Man Dat Hoe
Then Watch Me Crank Dat Robocop
Super Fresh, Now Watch Me Jock
Jocking On Them Haterz Man
When I Do Dat Soulja Boy
I Lean To The Left And Crank Dat thing
(Now Yua!)
I'm Jocking On Yo [expletive] Ass
And If We Get The Fightin
Then I'm Cocking On Your [expletive] ass
You Catch Me At Yo Local Party
Yes I Crank It Everyday
Haterz Get Mad Cuz
"I got me some bapes today"
Im 2 clean off in this hoe
Watch me crank it
Watch me roll
Watch me crank that roosavelt
And super soak that Hoe [x10]
Im to fresh up in this [expletive]
Watch me shuffle
Watch me jig
Watch me crank my shoulder work
Super man that [expletive]

Should be considered a work of art created with great musicianship and not 'thug' music? Let's look at it this way, it takes talent to make, sure, but, if you're going to put your work to lyrics like "Then I'm cockin' on yo [expletive] ass", then your work is overwhelmed with a coating that only wife-beaters, ex-murders, and other ignorant 'thug' types would dream up. If you think "I'm too fresh up in this [expletive]" is production quality, then you're asking to have it called thug music. I'm not asking to put it to lyrics that expand the mind, but don't glorify senseless killing or being a prick.

I'm not sure what your point is. Either you're making a statement that one particular song is, in fact, "thug music," or you're using this one song to indict an entire genre. If it's the latter, that is ridiculous. Picking one song, out of thousands, proves nothing.