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Well it's true. We are adding two ace-caliber pitchers down the stretch if they're remotely healthy. For free. That's a positive move.

Popeye_Card wrote:Well it's true. We are adding two ace-caliber pitchers down the stretch if they're remotely healthy. For free. That's a positive move.

You know whats better than getting Carpenter and Wainwright back? Getting Carpenter, Wainwright, and an impact trade. This whole thing screams used car-salesman spin. "We're sorry we didn't get anything but hey look whose coming back!"

Salesman: "Hey listen, I know you want the new GPS in your car, but we cannot install the module at this time , but what we will do is fix the broken air conditioner in your car for free!"
Buyer: "yeah but, that's under warranty...I mean, you have to fix that regardless what you want to do"
Salesman: "Hey, in this hot summer, that air conditioner is better than any GPS system, Right Buddy!??!"
*Pause*
Salesman: "Free Air conditioner!!!"

That, and I'm counting on Carpenter and Wainwright to come back healthy, but I'm not counting on Carpenter and Wainwright to come back healthy. Carp and Waino should be gravy, not the main course.

Still, I'm happy we didn't make any bad moves, so I'm not complaining about what Mo didn't do.

I hope Waino and Carp can pitch out of the pen on the days they don't start.

the better argument is getting Carpenter and Wainwright + not giving up anything of value for overpriced players > impact trade

Well I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

If Carpenter and Wainwright don't come back healthy and effective, this team is not better than either the Cubs or Brewers on paper. They could have added Jason Bay for Brendan Ryan today, and I would have still felt that way. Putting two front-line starters back at the head of the rotation, and being able to shift one of the starting pitchers plus a Jaime Garcia to the bullpen--that's making your team stronger without sacrificing anything in the process.

Popeye_Card wrote:Well I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

If Carpenter and Wainwright don't come back healthy and effective, this team is not better than either the Cubs or Brewers on paper.

I think the real point in what's happened at the trading deadline is that if Carpenter and Wainwright do come back healthy and effective, this team is not better than either the Cubs or Brewers on paper.

Plus, other teams say this sort of thing all the time. It's a rant-able subject, but it's not like the Cardinals are the only team to ever say this repeatedly around the trade deadline. That and I too am glad Mo didn't do anything stupid.

i hate the argument that a player coming off the dl is the same as a trade and am tired of hearing it but im not that upset about standing set this year.

Diddy wrote:i hate the argument that a player coming off the dl is the same as a trade and am tired of hearing it but im not that upset about standing set this year.

but it is true (a player we did not have at the pro level before this week) & no future prospects were given up.